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trauma-list Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3

Timothy Hardcastle Hardcastle at ukzn.ac.za
Sat Apr 16 05:49:21 BST 2016

I think I agree with that summary

Dr Timothy Hardcastle
MB,ChB(Stell); M.Med(Chir)(Stell); PhD, FCS(SA), Trauma Surgery(HPCSA)
Head: UKZN Trauma Surgery Training Unit
Deputy Director: IALCH Trauma Service and Trauma ICU
Hardcastle at ukzn.ac.za / timothyhar at ialch.co.za
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Durban, South Africa

-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Errington Thompson 
Sent: 15 April 2016 20:52
To: 'Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]'
Subject: RE: trauma-list Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3

Here's the xray and a slice from the CT scan. 

I think that the way that this case should have gone would be - because of persistent hypotension in spite of PRBC, FFP and plts, I should have taken this patient to the OR. I should have tried to pack the pelvis with combat gauze and lap pads. If the bleeding would have slowed at all, I should have taken the patient to IR for bilateral internal iliac embolization with some type of temporary agent like gelform. If we could have gotten the bleeding to slow or stop then we should have taken the patient back to the OR for foley placement and repair of his bladder. Once this was done then we needed to have a conversation about revascularizing the left leg. Axillary - femoral bypass? Temporarily occluding retrograde flow into the left iliac?
Also would have called ortho to place some type of ex-fix.


Errington C. Thompson, MD
Trauma/Acute Care Surgery
Marshall University

-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
On Behalf Of John Hall
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:47 AM
To: trauma-list at trauma.org
Subject: Re: trauma-list Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3

Reducing the pelvic fracture does not stop the venous bleeding.  It does prevent further damage when the patient is moved

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John R. Hall, M.D., FACS, FCCM
Professor of Surgery

> On Apr 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM, trauma-list-request at trauma.org wrote:
> What you have not told us is what you did do! Firstly it depends if 
> you
have rapid IR access - this usually takes 30-60 minutes to get set-up. If you have reduced the pelvis (binder around upper thighs), checked to ensure you are not missing an abdominal bleeder or chest bleeder and then done extraperitoneal pelvic packing I would say you have done what you can in most circumstances.
> You could also have open ligated both IIA's but embolization is a good
option if you get that far. I am not going to even go in to REBOA, but that is an emerging option too.
> Regards,
> Tim
> Dr Timothy Hardcastle

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