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Robert Smith rfsmithmd at comcast.net
Wed May 13 14:35:03 BST 2015


Nicely done. And I especially like "synthesize the dialectic". Takes me back :) 

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> On May 13, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Barry Alexander <lebistourie at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Ron
> The choices made are not necessarily made rationally.
> They are fired by so many extant influences, amplifying the inequalities of society into the explosion of mass reaction.
> I cannot justify that, but exist in a society with far less social disparity than Baltimore and others, so it is more difficult to understand.
> The drivers of these reactions are not necessarily admitted or apparent.
> I suffer for the discontent you have in US, and am relieved that in Oz the diacontent and aggro is less expressed, though the disadvantaged remain so.
> We must all work for understanding of the inevitable socioeconomic separations in our cultures and work towards taming the aggressions that inevitably will ensue.
> We, as doctors, in our amazingly privileged positions must show humility and understanding as well as our professional wisdom.
> Baz
> 
> Barry Alexander
> Let's do some good today
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On 13 May 2015, at 21:04, Gross, Ronald <Ronald.Gross at baystatehealth.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Barry, believe me when I say that I get that. I have never and will never ignore or deny the reasons - but I cannot excuse the choices made to call attention to the underlying reasons.
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> Ronald I. Gross, MD, FACS
>> Chief, Division of Trauma, Acute Care Surgery & Surgical Critical Care
>> Baystate Medical Center
>> Associate Professor of Surgery
>> Tufts School of Medicine
>> 759 Chestnut Street<x-apple-data-http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2015-May/detectors://0/0>
>> Springfield, MA 01199<x-apple-data-http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2015-May/detectors://0/0>
>> 413-794-4022<tel:413-794-4022>
>> ronald.gross at baystatehealth.org<mailto:ronald.gross at baystatehealth.org>
>> 
>> On May 13, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Barry Alexander <lebistourie at icloud.com<mailto:lebistourie at icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ron
>> Maybe no excuse but there are reasons for everything, and denying analysis of these reasons, and the powers that amplify these reasons into reaction will never synthesise the dialectic
>> Baz
>> 
>> Barry Alexander
>> Let's do some good today
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 01:06, Gross, Ronald <Ronald.Gross at baystatehealth.org<mailto:Ronald.Gross at baystatehealth.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would absolutely take to the streets - but I WOULD NOT take to the weapon. Unless I am missing something Hammurabi's Code is not practiced in most "civilized" societies today.
>> 
>> I will say it again. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for the use of violence to protest civil issues.
>> 
>> Ronald I. Gross, MD, FACS
>> Chief, Division of Trauma, Acute Care Surgery & Surgical Critical Care
>> Baystate Medical Center
>> Associate Professor of Surgery
>> Tufts School of Medicine
>> 759 Chestnut Street<x-apple-data-http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2015-May/detectors://0/0>
>> Springfield, MA 01199<x-apple-data-http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2015-May/detectors://0/0>
>> 413-794-4022<tel:413-794-4022>
>> ronald.gross at baystatehealth.org<mailto:ronald.gross at baystatehealth.org><mailto:ronald.gross at baystatehealth.org>
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Robert Smith <rfsmithmd at comcast.net<mailto:rfsmithmd at comcast.net><mailto:rfsmithmd at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From the point of view of the minority communities in America, they are the ones living under a never ending reign of terror inflicted upon them by the police. They are constantly stopped, frisked, searched, arrested, thrown in jail and put in prison under laws specifically designed for them, never to be able to participate in normal life again. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0 <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0> But that was just normal life in America for them. Now on top of that, unarmed members of their community are routinely murdered, seemingly week after week. If that happened to our families we might be in the streets too.
>> 
>> 
>> Robert F. Smith MD, MPH
>> Cook County Trauma (ret)
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Doc Holiday <drydok at hotmail.com<mailto:drydok at hotmail.com><mailto:drydok at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nope.
>> Happened in the USA on a number of recent occasions and also in the UK a little while back.
>> And, as for using the word "terrorist"...1. I think the word should NOT be used2. This is despite the fact that to me this is OBVIOUSLY terrorism, by its definition - an act of violence intended to instil fear (even if it's not it's sole or main purpose). Even among the crowd of rioters seen on TV there appear to be a significant number of people who pause between acts of violence long enough to have the sufficient time to think and realise that their actions will cause terror. Then they continue!3. If 1 & 2 above seem a contradiction, to explain my reason for not using the word "terrorist" is that SOME people (NOT on this List, but "out there") will latch onto it and begin to argue with whether it's the "right" word, in order to distract the rest of us from what actually took place.
>> We've been watching the events in RSA as well... While I think the Baltimore thing will wear off (until the next death in police custody), the events in RSA are rather ominous and might well escalate if the economics continue to be negative and enough people continue to feel "pressurised" enough to look for scapegoats to take it out on...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Hardcastle at ukzn.ac.za<mailto:Hardcastle at ukzn.ac.za><mailto:Hardcastle at ukzn.ac.za>
>> To: trauma-list at trauma.org<mailto:trauma-list at trauma.org><mailto:trauma-list at trauma.org>
>> Subject: RE: Baltimore
>> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:35:00 +0000
>> 
>> Hey Ron
>> 
>> It's the same thing here in South Africa when these idiots protest  - they upturn garbage bins, burn tires and generally loot and destroy - does nothing to endear me to their cause. I actually thought it was another of those SA specific things till I saw the newscast.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>> Dr Timothy Hardcastle
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