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A drunk driving video from Australia-- that MADE a difference

John Francis surjohn at gmail.com
Thu Dec 9 03:51:01 GMT 2010


You are correct! My mistake. It is actually 8 hours for one beer, and
24 hours for a glass of wine. Makes one wonder about the Holiday
parties soon to be upon us.
Thanks for the correction!
Merry Christmas!! - and drive/fly dry ;-)

John
(and I'll keep my FAR/AIM manual close by!)

On Tuesday, December 7, 2010, Stephen Richey <stephen.richey at gmail.com> wrote:
> "Which
> is why a pilot can not fly for at least 4 hours after a single beer"
>
> I believe it's eight hours actually.  The adage I was taught as a student
> pilot is "eight hours, bottle to throttle."
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:05 PM, John Francis <surjohn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting point.
>>
>> But I'm afraid you may be mixing metaphors (or examples as the case may
>> be).
>> Multi-tasking is a learned skill, complete sobriety is not.
>> Some people may be able to text and drive quite safely (not sure I'd like
>> to
>> volunteer for the test case) dependent on skills. A beer in hand is
>> probably
>> quite low on the multi-tasking aspect, but then you could have said a can
>> in
>> hand, or something similar. If you were suggesting that imbibing from the
>> beer in hand is less distracting than that is a different story. "Drunk" is
>> a purely political term and designation depending on who is measuring.
>> Which
>> is why a pilot can not fly for at least 4 hours after a single beer, no
>> matter how skilled they are at multi-tasking. The results of alcohol on
>> thinking/reacting may appear similar to being distracted - but the reason
>> is
>> entirely different.
>> Having a beer in hand is a good comparison to being distracted. Having a
>> beer in hand and drinking from it is an entirely different matter.
>> Just my two cents :)
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Bjorn, Pret <pbjorn at emh.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe this will come as a shocker, but I'm not unconditionally alarmed
>> > by an open beer in a driver's hand.  It's offensive, I agree, and you
>> > won't catch me with one; but objectively, this issue is more one of
>> > principle than substance.
>> >
>> > A single beer, after all, is less demanding and distracting than a smart
>> > phone.  Or even a standard cell phone.  Or, for that matter, a double
>> > Quarter-Pounder with the works: a bottle of beer is, if nothing else,
>> > less apt to expel a mess of condiments into my lap as I'm approaching an
>> > important turn.
>> >
>> > All that being said, I see nothing unreasonable about an open bottle
>> > constituting probable cause for a spot sobriety test and amplified
>> > penalties.  Indeed, such conditions may help to IDENTIFY high-risk
>> > drivers for prosecution.
>> >
>> > Just saying.
>> >
>> > Pret
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
>> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Jel Coward
>> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:45 PM
>> > To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG <http://trauma.org/>]
>> > Subject: Re: A drunk driving video from Australia-- that MADE a
>> > difference
>> >
>> > On 6 December 2010 05:05, Bjorn, Pret <pbjorn at emh.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Looks to me as if Victoria is undergoing a CULTURAL change.  Such is,
>> > by
>> > > definition, multifactorial, multidimensional, and complex.  But the
>> > > underlying individual drivers are not nearly as important as their
>> > > synergy.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Really enjoying this discussion - thanks to all.
>> >
>> > On moving to Canada (British Columbia) in 2001, after an initial setting
>> > in
>> > period, as I got to know folks and make friends.....I became _horrified_
>> > at
>> > the social acceptability of drinking and driving.
>> >
>> > Friends I respect in many ways would get behind the wheel _with beer
>> > still
>> > in hand_.
>> >
>> > A story told to me by a new (in the area) police officer was that when
>> > he
>> > stopped someone along a particular part of a rural road, the driver
>> > expressed dismay and surprise, because in the past there had been an
>> > unspoken agreement with a previous lead officer that 'once on this
>> > (particular) road, it was ok to open up the beer'.
>> >
>> > A friend out  here from the UK in 2003, would hitch a ride from a town
>> > 35
>> > kms away (where she was working)......I was worried for her
>> > safety.....but
>> > even more so when she told me that the figure was about 50 percent for
>> > the
>> > number of drivers who would pick her up, who had an open beer.
>> >
>> > 3 years ago, by April, in this low population rural area, we had 9 young
>> > people dead from alcohol and driving.  If they had been firearms deaths
>> > there would have been an outcry (not a pro-firearm comment, by the way).
>> >
>> > ...and I think it was about 5 years ago when Gordon Campbell, Premier of
>> > BC,
>> > was arrested for drunk driving in Hawaii......and from the video, one
>> > would
>> > assume, not just a little bit drunk.  The folks he was visiting were
>> > said to
>> > have advised him against driving.   He did not resign.   The Canadian
>> > press
>> > barely squeeked out a bark at him.    Even as I type this now, I can't
>> > believe that it is true.  would
>> >
>> > The notion that this is 'cultural' is correct.   The 'culture' needs to
>> > be
>> > changed.  Cultural change is multi-factorial.....and some might say that
>> > it
>> > should start at the top, with our leaders behaving in appropriate ways.
>> >
>> >
>> > When I left the UK, of course drink driving was (is) a problem there
>> > too....but.....a change had taken place.......it had become socially
>> > unacceptable to do it......drink drivers were castigated by society -
>> > friends would not allow friends to drive home from the pub (or would
>> > call
>> > the police).
>> > Along with this were severe penalties - blow over the limit on the
>> > roadside
>> > intoximeter = licence gone for 12 months, no appeal, no extenuating
>> > circumstances........one thing that came clear to police and the public
>> > was
>> > that the morning after a drinking session many folks would still be
>> > 'over
>> > the limit' and the police regularly breathalyze in the mornings.  I
>> > _think_
>> > it is now a requirement that the police breathalyze _everyone_ who is
>> > involved in an MVC.
>> > ....and if the Prime Minister was caught (on video that was made public)
>> > swerving down the road because s/he was drunk.......they wouldn't last a
>> > few
>> > minutes before having to resign......the press would take care of that.
>> >
>> >
>> > Recently BC laws were toughened - the allowed level of blood alcohol has
>> > been reduced - police can impound a vehicle for 3 months based on a
>> > roadside
>> > test etc.  ........and what have w> > > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG <http://trauma.org/>
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