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Sat Sep 12 23:08:54 BST 2009

Don't completely trust either as well, but are very useful tools

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From: McSwain, Norman E Jr. <nmcswai at tulane.edu>
To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG] <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 1:49 pm
Subject: RE: TRANSMED GSW

I am very reticent to trust either CT or FAST on penetrating trauma. I have seen 
too many negative exams with positive intra-operative findings or even deaths. I 
know some believe that (in their hands) FAST is unquestionably correct but our 
rate is no where near zero with negative exams. I can only trust my personal 
experience not what others find in other hospitals. 

On penetrating trauma (GSW) the eye scan is my most often used test. Stab wounds 
are different. I believe that Carter Nance was correct with stab wounds

Norman

Norman McSwain MD
Trauma Director, Charity Hospital
Professor of Surgery, Tulane University
New Orleans LA
504 988 5111
norman.mcswain at tulane.edu <mailto:norman.mcswain at tulane.edu> 

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From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of moore677 at aol.com
Sent: Sat 9/12/2009 3:39 PM
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Subject: TRANSMED GSW

Likely a hollow point.?

He would have never went to CT if he did not respond to the "brief" but very 
aggressive resuscitation.? I debated long and hard about opening the belly, and 
I guess when that happens, probably should.............the radiologist (intra-op 
reading) did not feel he had any intra-abd injury and I felt with an exploration 
from the L chest and an EGD (in addition to obvious esoph injury, was done 
because I thought I saw a fragment in the stomach on CT) that didn't show any 
obvious injury that I was pretty safe in ruling out intra-abd injury.

Dell..........
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