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Offner, Patrick PatrickOffner at Centura.OrgFri Oct 16 16:08:48 BST 2009
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There have been a couple articles suggesting the benefit of CT scanning--including ~20-30 frequency of "occult injuries" requiring a change in management and the even improved survival(ie the Lancet study). As with EVERYTHING we do, it is all about risk vs benefit. Pat Patrick J. Offner MD MPH Chief, Surgical Critical Care St Anthony Central Hospital -----Original Message----- From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Dr Timothy Hardcastle Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:14 PM To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG] Subject: Re: CT Radiation Dosing Calculations Ken et al I have been silent for a while now, but I feel it is time to comment. Firstly let me remind everyone that I am all for good clinical medicine and come from a place where we are often forced to use clinical judgement and hope for the best. However, I think that the experience I have recently gained from dealing with many more blunt trauma cases where plain films were often done prior to referral to our unit, where we will liberally use full body trauma scan, with a 128 slice scanner. The number of clinically relevant additional injuries in our subgroup of severely injured patients (our admission average ISS is 24 and NISS is 36) are sufficient to justify such scans. These patients are almost all sedated, intubated and ventilated, which complicates clinical assessment. These patients have a significant risk for missed injury - which by liberal scanning we have reduced to under 2%. The more modern scanners use less radiation for the same quality of scan - mostly even better than the older generation of scanners. It is all about risk-benefit and these patients - ISS >16 and BLUNT trauma or transmediastinal penetrating trauma are best served by early comprehensive imaging - as a one-stop shop, rather than numerous segmental scans. Secondly, the patient must SURVIVE the trauma and the hospital stay to get to the point where they can get their ALL or lymphoma. If we look at the missed injury with blunt trauma (particularly missed bowel injury) - with associated poor outcomes, the increased survival is enough to justify the risk. Finally though - quality control of the technical issues and of the appropriate use of the scan - i.e. not for the fully conscious, evaluable patient, is essential. Most penetrating trauma should NOT be undergoing scan - exceptions transmediastinal and maybe RUQ GSW. Not for stabs, or other GSW's On the issue of CT as an angio device - fine for blunt arch / vessel screen. For anything else use a catheter directed angio! The miss rate for other injury is just too high. My 2c Dr T C Hardcastle M.B., Ch.B. (Stell); M. Med. (Chir) (Stell); FCS (SA) Principal Specialist Trauma Surgeon / Honorary Lecturer University of KwaZulu-Natal Dept Surgery Deputy Director - IALCH Trauma Service Durban - South Africa > I am very aware that Ionizing radiation dosing from radiotherapy, CT > scanning, arteriography, C-Arm imaging in the OR, cardiac > catheterization, and trauma injury screening and diagnosis has > historically been administered most > of the time in a professional and standard manner. I am also aware that > each of these modalities has had its miscalculations and subsequent injury > to patients as well as to health care workers at all levels. The > recent experience reported by many sources of a hospital in Los > Angeles was > one such mis calculation. However, I am aware that such "accidents" > often lead to regulatory agencies using such an incident to now inspect > hospitals who have never had a known similar miscalculation. While > making a > visit, they very often raise questions of relivance, indication, and > use of > imaging, or whatever has brought them to the facility. Following the > announcement earlier this week of the miscalculation, I did a quick > check among patients in this hospital and sought information from > many of my colleagues at other hospitals. That led to my earlier post > regarding guidelines for ordering imaging, how images are often mis > used and lead to inappropriate > decisions, and other issues. It was to raise the awareness of all of > us > regarding the use of a modality that we all have over used. > > k > -- > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ > -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ ***************************************************************************** This communication is for the use of the intended recipient only. It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, any disclosure, copying, further distribution or use thereof is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please advise me by return e-mail or by telephone and delete/destroy it. *****************************************************************************
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