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very commfortable and we are quick to use it...in these and other difficult cases. 

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From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Sise, Michael (MD)
Sent: Sat 10/31/2009 4:51 PM
To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]
Subject: RE: Mechanical ventilation and flail chest

Colleagues,

We've used APRV in most settings that require advanced ventilator management with quite a bit of success - including chest wall trauma with flail and underlying contusion. I'm very interested to know how many of you have experience with APRV to the point that you have become comfortable with it as your choice for advanced ventilator management. We had a steep learning curve when we first adopted it 5 years ago.

Mike Sise
San Diego

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From: Ante Coric [mailto:ante.coric85 at gmail.com]
Sent: Sat 10/31/2009 3:43 PM
To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]
Subject: Re: Mechanical ventilation and flail chest

sedated first, agree, but considering ventilating mode itself, l would
prefer straightforward approach, CMV, usually pressure control, tidal volume
being 8-10ml/kg but if patient is asking for more give more if plataue
pressure below 25 cm water. depending on sedation level inspiratory time 1
sec or less, minimum FiO2.
Ante

2009/10/31 Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com>

> I wonder if you could accomplish this with APRV and not have to paralyze
> your patient.
> Ron Simon
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> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:44 PM
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> Subject: Re: Mechanical ventilation and flail chest
>
> Dear Matthieu:
> I have my own bias on what works for lung contusion with severe chest wall
> injury (flail chest) and ARDS net is not the answer.
> I like to use damage control ventilation using pressure control at low rate
> with a 1 to 1 I:E ratioa. This works great in opening your FRC. I identify
> the best PEEP and then add Pressure above PEEP to give you a Plateau at 33.
> For this maneuver the patient needs to be paralyzed and sedated in order to
> achieve the best recruitment.
> I use this damage control ventilation mode for the first 72 hours and
> although I don't have our own data yet the CXR difference is dramatic.
> Good Luck
> Duchesne
> CharityOne-New Orleans
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthieu G. <mat.genz at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:13:49
> To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]<trauma-list at trauma.org>
> Subject: Mechanical ventilation and flail chest
>
> Dear list members,
>
> do you use a specific mechanical ventilation strategy for patient with
> flail chest and underlying lung contusions, besides the lung
> protective approach for patient with ALI/ARDS? For example, Moore's
> Trauma textbook advocates the use of volume controlled over pressure-
> supported mode, the rationale being that even the modest negative
> pressures needed to trigger the ventilator cycle may destabilize the
> chest wall.
>
> Thank you for your input.
>
> Matthieu Gensburger
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