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Thu May 28 10:58:27 BST 2009

Since when (and where) are there laws prohibiting pizzas and fridge magnets
from drug reps -- or anybody else?  

Not that I'm a big proponent; but if this is a crime, I'm unaware of it.
And I expect that in the US, there are First Amendment implications.

Pret 

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Stephen Richey
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Traumatic rescue caught on TV

I don't believe so...perhaps one of our lawyers could comment.  it should
very well fall under the same requirements of the drug reps but I do not
believe it is enforced the same way.  Perhaps this would be another tool in
the battle to reign in these predatory companies while we wait for the new
FAA regulations that are due out in the next couple of years that will
likely cut the throats of AEL and other companies that are strictly profit
driven even at the cost of lives.   Hopefully that will be the final straw
that forces HEMS to reinvent itself into something beneficial to the few
communities that truly need the use of a helicopter.

I've always viewed the handing out of pizza, soda and trinkets to EMS
providers as tantamount to low brow bribery and was looked  at as an EMS
equivalent of a Frank Serpico (not that I'm comparing myself to Detective
Serpico...one of my colleagues used to jokingly call me it whenever this
topic came up) for not taking part in any "educational" activities sponsored
by PHI, AEL or any of the other aeromedical operations and trying to
convince others to do the same.   In fact, I have often wondered how AEL's
public "membership" "service" is legal in some states where ground ambulance
services are prohibited from such activities.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Anthony Caruso <medic541 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Stephen aren't there laws governing that kind of practice?  I would think
> it also falls under the same laws that prohibit drug reps from doing the
> same thing.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Richey <stephen.richey at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:00:04
> To: <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> Subject: Re: Traumatic rescue caught on TV
>
>
> No, and Air Evac Lifeteam lost a crew last year (including a friend of
> mine)
>  because of exactly that sort of behavior.
>
>  On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Andrew J Bowman
>  <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>  > No I am not.
>  >
>  > Andrew
>  >
>  > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Gross, Ronald <
>  > Ronald.Gross at baystatehealth.org> wrote:
>  >
>  > > He better say yes............
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
>  > > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of kmattox at aol.com
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>  > > Subject: Re: Traumatic rescue caught on TV
>  > >
>  > > U R joking.
>  > > ------Original Message------
>  > > From: Andrew J Bowman
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>  > > Because they give us pizza and cool t-shirts when we call them.
>  > >
>  > > Andrew
>  > >
>  > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:12 PM, <kmattox at aol.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > > Why the helicopter ?
>  > > >
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