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Fri May 8 13:07:50 BST 2009

I do believe that some skills are best mastered in real life situations, 
however, simulation and other e-learning techniques are both valid and 
relevant to our practice. Experiential learning is available in a variety of 
formats, and given the technological advances made in both education and 
medicine, will continue to be the wave of the future. While it may or may 
not be the way that "we" learned, it doesn't diminish the outcome.

Molly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com>
To: "Trauma and Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: Re:

A nurse friend told me she is considering an NP online program and I
recommended no, no, no.

There are other scary options out there, including RN and PA programs and
other historically clinically-heavy degree options that are "simulated". As
someone who recalls that crack of ribs on my 1st CPR, we must have that
feel, emotion-- even smell, that accompanies the learning experience. It is
indeed an learning experience, not a video game.

jmo--

cmm

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, McSwain, Norman E Jr. 
<nmcswai at tulane.edu>wrote:

> I was a coauthor on a paper on that subject in the mid 90's. My opinion 
> has
> not changed. A simulator is helpful in learning the basic techniques BUT 
> it
> does not substitute for the operating room for the in depth learning
>
> Norman
>
> Norman McSwain MD
> Professor, Tulane School of Medicine
> Trauma Director, Charity Hospital Trauma Center
> norman.mcswain at tulane.edu
> 504 988 5111
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of josemaya01
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:50 PM
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> Subject:
>
> Ron, André and others:
> In my opinion what bothers us the most is that we really don´t have the
> answer to all the questions that have arisen due to the changes that have
> ocurred in surgical training.  I myself would agree with Ron in the fact
> that no matter how good a simulator program is, it will never replace an 
> OR
> scenario with a live patient, because even the mental state is not the 
> same.
> I think that a lot of work has to be done before we fall into a 
> comfortable
> zone.
> And yes, I consider myself a Jurassic specimen at this point.
> José Mayagoitia, MD, FACS
> Hospital General de Mexicali, México
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