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A nurse friend told me she is considering an NP online program and I
recommended no, no, no.

There are other scary options out there, including RN and PA programs and
other historically clinically-heavy degree options that are "simulated". As
someone who recalls that crack of ribs on my 1st CPR, we must have that
feel, emotion-- even smell, that accompanies the learning experience. It is
indeed an learning experience, not a video game.

jmo--

cmm

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, McSwain, Norman E Jr. <nmcswai at tulane.edu>wrote:

> I was a coauthor on a paper on that subject in the mid 90's. My opinion has
> not changed. A simulator is helpful in learning the basic techniques BUT it
> does not substitute for the operating room for the in depth learning
>
> Norman
>
> Norman McSwain MD
> Professor, Tulane School of Medicine
> Trauma Director, Charity Hospital Trauma Center
> norman.mcswain at tulane.edu
> 504 988 5111
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> Ron, André and others:
> In my opinion what bothers us the most is that we really don´t have the
> answer to all the questions that have arisen due to the changes that have
> ocurred in surgical training.  I myself would agree with Ron in the fact
> that no matter how good a simulator program is, it will never replace an OR
> scenario with a live patient, because even the mental state is not the same.
> I think that a lot of work has to be done before we fall into a comfortable
> zone.
> And yes, I consider myself a Jurassic specimen at this point.
> José Mayagoitia, MD, FACS
> Hospital General de Mexicali, México
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between taking one's work seriously and taking one's self seriously. The
first is imperative and the second is disastrous.
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