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Fri Jun 12 17:42:47 BST 2009

Shock Trauma continues to encourage the belief that putting a patient in
a helicopter creates a magical healing aura around the patient. If
pressure were not put on them after the recent fatal crash, they would
still be singing the praises of delaying transport, just to put the
patient in the magic helicopter.

They get away with it because they tell the voters that it is Free. As
if there is any such thing. Now they are promoting Reiki as Free. The
question is, are they as good at medicine as they are at selling snake
oil? Do you trust real medicine from a snake oil salesman?

Acupuncture has been repeatedly studied. Acupuncture does not do any
better than placebo. Even fake acupuncture has done better than "real
acupuncture" in studies. This is not medicine. This is snake oil.

In discussing medicine that is evidence based vs everything not evidence
based that is presented as medicine, why do you bring religion into the
conversation?

This has nothing to do with religion, unless you worship at the altar of
R Adams Cowley's "Golden Hour." 

Maybe you believe that Dr. Scalea is divinely inspired in his direction
of Shock Trauma.

Bringing religion into this is nothing but misdirection. This has
nothing to do with religion, although in Maryland things do take on more
than a religious tone, when you suggest that an ambulance could actually
drive to a trauma center. Oh, the horror!

Research seems to be the one thing absent from EMS in Maryland.

Not that I have an opinion on the matter.

Tim Noonan.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:54 -0400, "Rick Tappan" <rtappan at gwu.edu> wrote:
> I guess you don't put much in faith either? Not saying science and
> medicine
> should not be evidenced based, but in 30 years I have seen things I
> cannot
> explain and stopped trying. By the way on the rants about Shock-Trauma in
> Baltimore, it is an integral part of the University of Maryland Hospital
> and
> trains military surgeons in preparation of their work overseas. It also
> trains those individuals from the military who go off and do interesting
> things in far away places. My point being that while not ACS level one
> verified, it still has to meet all JCAHO requirements. Not that JCAHO is
> the
> end all and be all.
> 
> Rick Tappan
> 703 726-3734
> rtappan at gwu.edu
> "Who Dares, Wins"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
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> On Behalf Of Fiona Wallace
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:27 AM
> To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]
> Subject: Re: Alternative therapies (OT)
> 
> Oh, for goodness sake.
> 
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
> 
> It is well recognised that sticking needles in people has definite  
> physiological effects, however it DOESN'T MATTER where you put the  
> needles.
> 
> There is no such thing as 'life energy' except the stuff that comes  
> out of defibrillator paddles (and then only when it works)
> 
> My prescription is for a year long course of Pharyngula, Skeptic's  
> Guide to the Universe and Quackcast (Google them if you haven't come  
> across them). Alternative 'medicine' is no different from any other  
> sort in only one respect - it needs an EVIDENCE BASE and sound  
> physiological underpinning before it's used in a clinical context.
> 
> /rant (but happy to continue the discussion elsewhere)
> 
> Fiona Wallace.
> 
> 
> On 12/06/2009, at 5:32 PM, Lorick Fox, MPAS, PA-C wrote:
> 
> >
> > We may want to be slow to totally scoff at some of these therapies.
> > I must admit I generally (still) do, but:
> >
> > About 7 years ago I ended up doing an informal consult on an  
> > Egyptian (in
> > Cairo) with marked LV systolic dysfunction who had refused
> > revascularization.  Despite having some really good cardiologists and
> > cardiac surgeons in Egypt, somehow an "American opinion" was valued.  
> > I ended
> > up joining his family for dinner one night.
> >
> > At that dinner I met a Japanese practitioner (who spoke no English)  
> > who was
> > present because the family had flown him to Egypt from japan to use a
> > "laying on of hands" therapy for a patient with ALS. He specialized  
> > in care
> > of neurological disorders and despite the language barrier, with
> > translation, we had an interesting conversation.  I think I still  
> > have his
> > business card somewhere.
> > Now, I did NOT see the patient with ALS, nor a medical record to  
> > verify the
> > diagnosis.  However, the family was well off (to put it mildly) and  
> > the odds
> > are they had high end neurological evaluation.  (The cardiology  
> > evaluation
> > of my patient had been first class, the patient just made bad  
> > choices.)
> >
> > The remarkable thing was that, after the "treatments" the previous 2  
> > days,
> > the family agreed that the patient (who had reportedly not been out  
> > of bed
> > without a lot of assistance for > 1 year) got up and walked  
> > unassisted. Now
> > I understand placebo effect, but anyone (regardless of dx except  
> > perhaps
> > psyc dx) who has not been ambulating for a year suddenly doing so
> > independently is pretty remarkable, regardless of dx.
> >
> > Since that time, I have spoken with MD acupuncturists, Korean and  
> > Japanese
> > traditional medicine practitioners (usually with a translator) and  
> > anyone
> > else I found with experience and/or knowledge in the area.  I have  
> > become
> > fairly convinced that there is far more to acupuncture than sticking  
> > needles
> > in the right places.  It appears to me that successful  
> > acupuncturists have
> > some ability to manipulate energy (?Chi? for lack of a better term),  
> > and the
> > use of a battery connected to the needles just doesn't make up for  
> > that
> > lack. This "life energy" what the Japanese practitioner told me he
> > manipulated with his hands.
> >
> > Interestingly, I have also been told that some people are "Chi  
> > sinks" - i.e.
> > can soak up a patient's energy and thus they feel worse after tx, not
> > better.  I met one MD who did at least a month in California learning
> > acupuncture, and had almost no positive responses, and some patients  
> > felt
> > worse.  He was indeed a competent physician, based on working in close
> > proximity daily for years. He abandoned the use of acupuncture.
> >
> > It would be really nice to get a better handle on this.  Just  
> > because most
> > of us can't sense, much less manipulate, this alleged energy doesn't  
> > mean it
> > doesn't exist and can't be of therapeutic value.
> >
> >
> > Lorick Fox, MPAS, PA-C
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> > Mobile +20-18-230-4448
> >
> >
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