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Wed Jun 3 08:57:30 BST 2009

First of all, just to specify: Electromagnetic  pulse happens when a 
strong electromagnetic radiation hits a target and is converted into 
electricity, frying all electronic devices (both connected and 
unconnected to the grid.  Lightning on the other hand is not the same as 
an emp, although the end result is  the same if your toaster gets a 
direct hit,  with lightning the there is little em radiation, but a 
strong current beeing transported. Lightning CAN in the worst case 
scenario cause a massive blackout (will have to hit a weak spot, then 
travel up to other weak spots in the grid, causing a cascade), but it 
will never cover the extreme areas a well placed EMP can. It will also 
never involve the massive destruction of electrical appliances and 
electronics an EMP is capable of.  EMP WILL cause a massive blackout, 
and less than five high altitude nukes is enough to make the Us. go 
offline.  For many months.

Current ways of creating an EMP involves
a) High altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon, where the high 
altitude/thin air results in most of the energy released going to em 
radiation, and not heat.
b) A massive capacitator bank connected to a large aerial (current 
testing models have a  very limited range, 100-300 yards at most) or
c) an explosive driven flux generator (which is currently beeing 
researched by the Us. and probably by the russians, north korea and 
whoever else with the massive budget to fund it). Very technical, very 
complex.

Your theory about emp causing this aircrash is unfeasible at best. A) no 
high altitude nukes fired b)getting the 50tons+ of capacitors into the 
vincinity of the airbus would require an antonov or a c5 galaxy 
airplane, which then would be lost and c) no reports of a practical 
version of an explosively driven flux generator in existance (unless you 
believe some rumours about the bombing of iraq).  The end result of the 
investigation (if they find the orange box and enough clues) will most 
likely be pilot error or technical/mechanical failure (the two most 
common causes of planecrashes).

Prepairing for an EMP attack on Us. soil is so bloody expensive that 
there is no way to get EMP protection in anything else than the 
extremely vital (think military and the pres.) spots.  You have to build 
a faraday cage around your whole house, hospital, firehouse and so on. 
Your medical electronics will be several times bigger, far less 
sophistcated, and will cost a lot more. Not very feasible, and not many 
ways for medical/trauma professionals to train/prepare for it (unless 
you have a fondness for breeding carrier pigeons)  On the other hand, 
there are lots of other methods that terrorists use to kill 
people/cripple society that WE CAN train for and protect ourselves 
against.  Explosions, anthrax, nerve gases, dirty bombs and so on.  
These are actually areas where continuously training ourselves and the 
public will make a big difference if crap hits the fan.  My point is: 
why bother with EMP (where there is not much that can be done) instead 
of protecting ourselves against threats that are far more likely to 
occur (any dimwit with enough money can make a bomb or nerve gas 
nowadays). 

And please. Cyberwar/cyberterrorism involves a party using coordinated 
electronic communcation (the internet) to initiate an attack on an 
enemy, and has nothing to do with EMP (think more about russian geekboys 
DDOSing Estonia and Georgia than someone with an EMP device taking out 
our grid).  It involves people using computers to attack the computers 
the enemy use to control communications, the electrical grid and so on. 
The practical version of emp for the time beeing involves a state (no 
terrorist group will ever have the budget/manpower to do it) building a 
10+ kt nuke, then building a high altitude atmospheric rocket, and then 
managing to shoot it uninterrupted halfway across the globe at the Us. 
Even though electronic communication will be the biggest hit, it is 
terror or warfare, not cyberterror or cyberwarfare.

/Flame off, Jørgen Gullestad, RN.

KMATTOX at aol.com wrote:
>  
> I have a theory regarding what happened to this flight.    I  would suggest 
> that ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE is the cause.   This  phenomena was once a top 
> secret discussion but is now freely presented on the  Internet.    Such a 
> phenomena can be produced by a nuclear bomb,  a lightening strike, or a special 
> bomb.    The best example is  that if a lightning strike hits right next to 
> a house, it is possible that all  circuits, including ATM cards, television 
> sets, microwaves, computers, and cell  telephones, (even those turned off) 
> will have their circuits and magnetic strips  neutralized and erased or 
> reset.    Such a phenomena on board an  airplane could render verbal 
> communications immediately non  functional.     
>  
> For your own information do a Google search for the words electromagnetic  
> pulse.   
>  
> I have put this information here  because it has an implication toward  our 
> planning for such an event during a disaster or terrorist  event.    It is 
> one of the potential weapons of the  Cyberterrorist.   
>  
> Yes, you do need to learn about cyberterrorism, cybercrimes, and  
> electromagnetic pulse.    
>  
> k
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