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Zaffer Qasim zaffer_qasim at yahoo.comTue Jul 7 21:04:50 BST 2009
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Tim This attached article may be of interest to you. Zaf Dr. Zaffer Qasim MBBS MRCS MCEM Specialty Registrar in Emergency Medicine and Critical Care Manchester, United Kingdom > Tim, > > Do you know of any data published regarding NIPPV and flail chest? > Impressive anecdotal experience. Thanks for sharing. > > Keith > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Dr Timothy Hardcastle < > dr.tchardcastle at absamail..co.za> wrote: > >> Hi Christine >> >> No "protocol" as such, just extensive experience (>300 major blunt chest >> trauma in the last 5 years) and therefore can give you some guidance >> that >> may assist you. (Maybe will help you to derive your own protocol). The >> reason I don't advocate a "protocol" here is that each patient is very >> individual in how they cooperate / cope with the support offered, so a >> general apporach is more relevant. >> >> Firstly: Flail chest is mainly a cause of pain, while underlying >> contusion >> is the cause of shunt and hypoxia, so analgesia is the first step; >> either >> epidural, or intercostal blocks,or combination opioid / non-opioid IV in >> suitable doses - PCA useful if patient able to cooperate. Aim for Ramsay >> 2-3 sedation level.. If intercostal drain in-situ could even use >> intra-pleural catheter with bupivacaine. >> >> Secondly assess the extent of lung contusion - the worse the contusion >> the >> less likely non-invasive ventilation will work; rather intubate early >> and >> wean to extubate around day 5, then continue with non-invasive. >> >> If primarily rib fractures with limited severity of contusion, then >> early >> non-invasive ventilatory support is most appropriate: I start with a >> full-face mask, with portal for a naso-gastric tube to decompress the >> stomach - they all swallow air; use between 8 - 10 mmHg CPAP with a >> combination of additional pressure support adjusted to achieve internal >> splinting (minimal residual flail) or Vt of 6 - 8 ml/kg, whichever comes >> first. Aim for sats >92% or PaO2 of over 8kPa (68mmHg) as minimum. >> Titrate >> both CPAP and the PSV/ASB as required. >> >> Aim for a spontaneous resp rate less than 30 - more than this and they >> will tire - this group will require intubation and ventilation. >> >> Regular checks for developing VAP are essential. Screening wth ProCal is >> useful. >> Antibiotics are best avoided unless true infection is diagnosed. >> Prophylactic AB are not required for lung contusion. >> >> Hope this helps >> Tim >> Dr T C Hardcastle >> M.B., Ch.B. (Stell); M. Med. (Chir) (Stell); FCS (SA) >> Principal Specialist Trauma Surgeon / >> Honorary Lecturer University of KwaZulu-Natal Dept Surgery >> Deputy Director - IALCH Trauma Service >> Durban - South Africa >> >> > Has anyone have any protocols for managing traumatic chest injuries >> such >> > as a flail chest with non invasive ventilation? >> > -- >> > >> > Chris Wilson >> > >> > Lecturer in Nursing >> > >> > Flinders University >> > >> > 82013354 >> > >> > 0414253393 >> > >> > -- >> > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG <http://trauma.org/> >> > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: >> > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ >> >> -- >> trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG <http://trauma.org/> >> To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: >> http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ >> > -- > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ > Dr T C Hardcastle M.B., Ch.B. (Stell); M. Med. (Chir) (Stell); FCS (SA) Principal Specialist Trauma Surgeon / Honorary Lecturer University of KwaZulu-Natal Dept Surgery Deputy Director - IALCH Trauma Service Durban - South Africa -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CPAP vs Intubation for Flail Chest Injury.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 94040 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://list.mistral.net/pipermail/trauma-list/attachments/20090707/efc7799e/attachment-0001.pdf>
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