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Thu Jan 22 08:44:17 GMT 2009

For the complete novice, how is this done?
Is the blood transferred from the drain to another vessel to hang? How does
one do this in a sterile fashion? What devices are there to enable this?
Do you use a filter? T
These questions have often arisen whilst treating haemothoraces (but have
never been necessary in my limited experience thus far).

Kind regards from an inexperienced observer,

Brad Morris
Surgical Registrar
Australia

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Jose Luis Danguilan
<jdanguilan at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dr. Gross,
>
> We have used autotransfusion in a few cases of massive hemothorax direct
> from the drainage bottle with no untoward complications ... so far.
>
> Jose Luis J. Danguilan, MD
>
>
> On 1/21/09, Gross, Ronald <Ronald.Gross at bhs.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to you, Robert, and to Dr. McSwain as well.
> > So now the question - why do you - or do you NOT - citrate the
> > autotransfused blood.  I have always been taught that it is not safe to
> > infuse non-citrated blood, but truth be told, I have never researched the
> > literature 'cause I took my teachings as "gospel".  AS such I have ALWAYS
> > citrated the Atrium blood prior to transfusing it.  I am now questioning
> > those teachings, as there are some who argue each way - and I am
> wondering
> > whether in the heat of battle it really matters or not.........
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Robert Schulze
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:15 PM
> > To: 'Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list'
> > Subject: Re: Autologous transfusion
> >
> > We are transfusing chest tube drainage in the acute situation only, (IE
> the
> > trauma bay and initially in the ICU). We use the reservoir and just hang
> it
> > back up, no citrate...
> >
> > Robert Schulze MD FACS
> > Clin Asst Dean, Asst Prof of Surgery
> > SUNY Downstate/Kings County Hospital
> >
> > >>> "Gross, Ronald" <Ronald.Gross at bhs.org> 1/20/2009 10:11 AM >>>
> >
> > A question for the list - who is transfusing chest tube drainage?  Are
> you
> > citrating the blood prior to transfusion?
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Teperman, Sheldon
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM
> > To: 'trauma-list at trauma.org'
> > Subject: RE: trauma-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 20/ RE: Factor VII (7)
> > clinical triggers for use in the trauma OR
> >
> > Regarding factor 7.  We have just completed a two year long process of
> > modernizing our Massive Transfusion Protocol, which I have appended. Nova
> > nordisk is still in the midst of their somewhat troubled 100 center
> trauma
> > factor seven trial, although admittedly I have not heard much about that
> of
> > late.
> >        Our place is a busy (at times- the busiest) level one center in
> NYC,
> > we see lots of penetrating trauma and also lots of very complex and
> tertiary
> > OB work.  The protocol with aggressive and early use of factor seven has
> > been used dozens of times here.  The GYN oncologists that handle our
> > difficult OB work ( placental abruptions/accretas/abdominal pregnancies
> ect)
> > are convinced that the introduction of factor seven is a "sea change".  I
> > anecdotally  fully agree.
> >        I have crafted our use of factor seven in a way where there is
> easy
> > access to its use (the attending Trauma surgeon directs its use-without
> the
> > need for approval of the blood bank-for the first two doses). Generally
> > speaking we call for the factor seven as the first six units are going
> in.
> > The dose is a conservative one( for reasons we can go over). Where as I
> do
> > agree that the key to the protocol is 1-1 tansfusion(more or less), the
> > factor seven and plts (See Blue Journal early fall) are also critical.
>  Also
> > having good equipment, well maintained and readily available and lots of
> > people knowing how to use it ( eg Level One infuser) is key.
> >        Please do not distribute the attached protocol any further than
> this
> > list prior to letting me know, as I would want to explain how we use it
> and
> > where it fits in with the science as I understand it and practical
> > reality...  A direct email to me would be best...Sheldon
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. RE: Factor VII (7) clinical triggers for use in the trauma OR
> >      (Duchesne, Juan C )
> >   2. Re: Crisis in Gaza... (Eduardo Palencia)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:24:36 -0600
> > From: "Duchesne, Juan C " <jduchesn at tulane.edu>
> > Subject: RE: Factor VII (7) clinical triggers for use in the trauma OR
> >
> > To: "Trauma &amp" <trauma-list at trauma.org>,     "Trauma &amp"
> >        <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >        <93F431B4ABF11C43BDB776B643B691BCA2E53E at EX04.ad.tulane.edu>
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> >
> > Dear Marc- since the institution of Early Hemostatic Resuscitation at
> > Charity, NO we counted only 2 cases were factor VII was used over the
> last 2
> > years, for which both patients end up dying. Based on our experience we
> > decided to look further into this question. The below reference may be of
> > help:
> > Good Luck
> > Juan
> >
> > Current evidence based guidelines for factor VIIa use in trauma: the
> good,
> > the bad, and the ugly. <
> >
> https://ent.tulane.edu/pubmed/19097529?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
> > >
> >
> > Duchesne JC, Mathew KA, Marr AB, Pinsky MR, Barbeau JM, McSwain NE.
> >
> > Am Surg. 2008 Dec;74(12):1159-65.
> >
> >
> > Juan C. Duchesne MD, FACS, FCCP
> > Director Surgical Hospital Center
> > Director Tulane Surgical Intensive Care Unit AMR Regional Director
> > Louisiana Emergency Response Network
> >
> >
> > Division of Trauma and Critical Care Surgery Tulane & LSU Department of
> > Surgery and Anesthesiology 1430 Tulane Ave., SL-22 New Orleans LA
> 70112-2699
> > Tel. 504-988-5111 Fax. 504-988-3683
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Marc Matthews - MedPro
> > MMC X
> > Sent: Thu 1/15/2009 9:34 PM
> > To: Trauma &amp
> > Subject: RE: Factor VII (7) clinical triggers for use in the trauma OR
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Does anybody have clinical triggers for the use of Factor VII (7) in the
> > trauma OR? I am looking for any institution that has a guideline based on
> > the literature for the triggers that they could share with me and anyone
> on
> > this list server. I am looking to educate and provide economically sound
> > advice on a very expensive medication. There have to be guidelines in
> trauma
> > centers.
> >
> > Anyone with a guideline or protocol regarding this would help as well as
> > any salient pieces of advice in its use or non-use.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > MRM
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:32:40 +0100
> > From: "Eduardo Palencia" <palenciahccml at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Crisis in Gaza...
> > To: "Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >        <fa3aa3010901160432n557a0c4axa1eea9f41f4a917 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I send you the editorial of the last issue of Lancet, fixing its position
> > about the barbarities committed for the israeli army against the health
> of
> > the civilian palestinian population. They are intolerable, if some rest
> of
> > humanitarian feelings remains.
> >
> > Eduardo
> > --
> > Eduardo Palencia Herrej?n
> > Jefe de Servicio de Medicina Intensiva
> > Hospital "Infanta Leonor", Madrid
> > C/ Gran v?a del Este, 80
> > 28031 Madrid, Spain
> > Tfno: +34619204428
> > epalenciah at salud.madrid.org
> >
> > 2009/1/16 Gad Shaked <shakedg at bgu.ac.il>:
> > > Lies again. There is a humanitarian corridor every day for 3 hours.
> > Usually the Hamas terrorists continue firing and launching rockets during
> > this period. The palestinians should have considered this scenario eight
> > years when they kept attacking innocent civilians in the towns and
> villages
> > adjacent to the Gaza strip, More important is the good news of this
> morning
> > that the 7 year old boy sustainig a critical  head injury from a rocket
> that
> > exploded next to him is improving. He underwent decompressive craniotomy
> as
> > part of his damage control surgery. Another woman is also doing well
> after a
> > laparotomy for multiple small and large bowel shrapnel perforations.
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > >
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