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Militants *are* legitimate targets.  Just because they shelter in the middle
of civilians doesn't change that.  I'm not saying I'm not saddened by the
loss of lives of people who might not have anything to do with the
predicament.   That said, I understand the nature of war and as much as we
would like to sanitize it that is asking for the impossible.   Even in this
day of "surgical strikes" (which are often more like Napoleonic era
amputations than the brain surgery analogy a lot of people cling to) you are
still looking at a very paltry number of civilian casualties compared to
what would happen if truly unrestricted warfare was implemented (think
Dresden or Tokyo *circa *1945).

BTW, don't trust everything you read in the news.  Most likely the truth is
somewhere in the middle between what the media says the Israelis are doing
"horribly wrong" and what the Israelis and others say the Palestinians are
doing wrong.  Both sides hold near equal responsibility for the bloodshed
regardless of whom may have been directly responsible for the individual
deaths.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Eduardo Palencia
<palenciahccml at gmail.com>wrote:

> Legitimate targets? Doyou read the news?
>
> Eduardo
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> 2009/1/15 Stephen Richey <stephen.richey at gmail.com>:
> > If you are using it against strictly civilian targets, it is a
> technically a
> > violation of a couple of international treaties.  However, I doubt that
> is
> > actually what is taking place.  More than likely it is a matter of trying
> to
> > hit legitimate targets that the Palestinians purposefully placed in areas
> > with large concentrations of "civilians".  This sort of thing does- as
> Pret
> > said- reek of propaganda.
> >
> > However, that being said, the Israelis are probably the one military on
> the
> > planet that anyone out there should know you don't toy with.  Anyone so
> > inclined- and those who support or even tolerate them doing so- gets what
> is
> > coming to them.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Pret Bjorn <p.bjorn at netzero.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM, McSwain, Norman E Jr.
> >> <nmcswai at tulane.edu>wrote:
> >>
> >> > It meets the classic descriptions of phosphorus.
> >> >
> >> > Typed by the thumbs of
> >> > Norman on his BlackBerry
> >> >
> >> > Norman McSwain, MD
> >> > Tulane Univ Surgery
> >> > 504 988-5111
> >>
> >> Obviously the story is intended to leave that impression.  The least
> >> experienced among us could tally this up to phosphorous munitions -- the
> >> use
> >> of which, I'm quite sure, is a war crime.
> >>
> >> That an experienced clinician in a perpetual war zone would post this
> lame
> >> query where the BBC would find it smells less of "offensive chemicals"
> than
> >> ham-handed propaganda.
> >>
> >> I'm as suspicious as anyone over the motives and methods of the IDF; but
> >> folks, don't be STUPID.
> >>
> >> Pret Bjorn, RN
> >> Bangor, ME USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Stephen L. Richey, CRT
Aviation Injury Research Project Leader
Saginaw Valley State University
Work E-mail: slrichey at svsu.edu
Cell Phone: 317-937-5343

"A firefighter is at once the most fortunate and the least fortunate of men.
He's a man who saves lives because he has seen too much death. He's a gentle
man because he has seen the awesome power of violence out of control. He
doesn't preach the brotherhood of man. He lives it."-  Author Unknown

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