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Ferraro, Richard - MSJ Richard.Ferraro at chw.eduMon Jan 5 15:16:38 GMT 2009
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I think if there is no other method to stop traumatic bleeding than to use this product, then I would take my chances with the Blood Clot. It seems that one small animal study would not be enough to take an FDA approved product off line. The army must be uncomfortable on another level, maybe field reports from the Surgeons or medics that have used the product? I want those medical personal to have all the tools available to save lives! Rick Ferraro Trauma Program Manager Mercy San Juan Medical Center -----Original Message----- From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of trauma-list-request at trauma.org Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:00 AM To: trauma-list at trauma.org Subject: trauma-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 Send trauma-list mailing list submissions to trauma-list at trauma.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.mistral.net/mailman/listinfo/trauma-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trauma-list-request at trauma.org You can reach the person managing the list at trauma-list-owner at trauma.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of trauma-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. WoundStat, (listasmsd) 2. RE: WoundStat, (McSwain, Norman E Jr.) 3. Service Health Care- (Schulz, John) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:14:50 -0400 From: "listasmsd" <listasmsd at gmail.com> Subject: WoundStat, To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <8299C6973FCF422993EC62E584DEB489 at compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WASHINGTON (AP) - Until more testing can be done, Army medics are being told to stop using a new product just sent to the war front to help control bleeding among wounded troops. Officials were in the process of distributing some 17,000 packets of WoundStat, granules that are poured into wounds when special bandages, tourniquets or other efforts won't work. But a recent study showed that, if used directly on injured blood vessels, the granules may lead to harmful blood clots, officials said Tuesday. The Army Medical Command will continue its research and work with the manufacturer in hopes of figuring out in the next few months whether to resume use of WoundStat, said Col. Paul Cordts, head of Army health policy and services. WoundStat manufacturer TraumaCure Inc. of Bethesda, Md., said late Tuesday that "experts differ" on whether the Army's most recent testing, which put the granules into surgically-created injuries in swine, is relevant to a product used in a trauma setting. But the company said it would cooperate with the military on research to clear up any questions. "It is important to note that there have been no reported incidents or adverse outcomes in humans" from the product, Jack McDonnell, chairman and CEO of TraumaCure, said in a statement. "WoundStat has been used in the field and in U.S. hospitals where it has saved lives by stopping traumatic bleeding in accidents, gunshot wounds and major surgical bleeding." The product had been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. It was one of the latest in a series of Army efforts to improve survival rates on the battlefield. Today, 90% of injured troops survive their wounds, the highest rate of any war, Cordts said in an interview. He credited better training of combat medics, better body armor the troops wear and better tactics they use on the battlefield, as well improved bandages, tourniquets and so on. Defense Department figures show that as of this month, more than 4,800 troops have been killed in Iraq and the global war on terror. The latter category counts casualties mostly from Afghanistan. Some 34,000 troops have been wounded in the wars, where insurgents have made wide use of roadside bombs and other explosives. Excessive blood loss is the number one killer on the battlefield, and the Army announced in October that it was sending two potential lifesavers - the WoundStat packets and a bandage called Combat Gauze - to replace older other products that had been in use at the time. A committee of Army medics, Navy corpsmen, surgeons and others recommended the Combat Gauze bandage - which has an agent that triggers blood clotting - should be the first-line treatment for life-threatening hemorrhaging in cases where a tourniquet could not be placed, such as the armpit or groin area. The WoundStat granules were to be used if the bandage failed to work. Cordts said the Army put out a message on Dec. 18, directing the temporary halt in use of WoundStat. Though it has arrived at the war zones, officials are unclear on how widely it has been distributed so far. They're working to identify any soldiers who got the treatment, study their cases and examine them for any problems with blood clotting, Cordts said. He said he didn't know whether it had been used on any soldiers and thus had no reports back from the field - positive or negative - on how effective it might have been. Cordts said that after an additional few months of study, officials will likely determine whether they should discontinue its use altogether or perhaps redistribute it with warnings for how it is to be used. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:58:58 -0600 From: "McSwain, Norman E Jr." <nmcswai at tulane.edu> Subject: RE: WoundStat, To: "Trauma &" <trauma-list at trauma.org>, "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <B79C02DCC4FA074DB02381DF1C5D60BA01D28159 at EX07.ad.tulane.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The information that I have seen indicates that this decision was made based on one study involving only 21 animals, using a single model of an open carotid artery. There was no long term outcome. I think the study is important but NOT enough for an recall of the entire material. Nor for us to not use it on the type of injures that most of our EMS services are faced with. Other products with adverse outcomes have been left in the field. The response does not seem to be based on enough data. Perhaps I have not seen all of the data. I strongly believe in hemostatic agents when: 1) pressure dressings do not work, 2) the injures are on the torso and 3) a tourniquet cannot be applied. This is a generic statement and not specific for any one product. However, I have not seen much use in the civilian community when the patient is not in danger, such as the middle of combat, and the hospital care is just a few minutes away. Very seldom does properly applied pressure dressing not give adequate hemorrhage control to get the patient to a hospital. This need not be a trauma center but one where a hemostat (or several of them) can be applied to the bleeding vessel. Intra-abdominal hemorrhage is different and not part of this discussion. We are discussing not cavity hemorrhage Norman Norman McSwain MD Trauma Director, Charity Hospital Professor of Surgery, Tulane University New Orleans LA 504 988 5111 norman.mcswain at tulane.edu <mailto:norman.mcswain at tulane.edu> ________________________________ From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of listasmsd Sent: Thu 1/1/2009 8:14 AM To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list Subject: WoundStat, WASHINGTON (AP) - Until more testing can be done, Army medics are being told to stop using a new product just sent to the war front to help control bleeding among wounded troops. Officials were in the process of distributing some 17,000 packets of WoundStat, granules that are poured into wounds when special bandages, tourniquets or other efforts won't work. But a recent study showed that, if used directly on injured blood vessels, the granules may lead to harmful blood clots, officials said Tuesday. The Army Medical Command will continue its research and work with the manufacturer in hopes of figuring out in the next few months whether to resume use of WoundStat, said Col. Paul Cordts, head of Army health policy and services. WoundStat manufacturer TraumaCure Inc. of Bethesda, Md., said late Tuesday that "experts differ" on whether the Army's most recent testing, which put the granules into surgically-created injuries in swine, is relevant to a product used in a trauma setting. But the company said it would cooperate with the military on research to clear up any questions. "It is important to note that there have been no reported incidents or adverse outcomes in humans" from the product, Jack McDonnell, chairman and CEO of TraumaCure, said in a statement. "WoundStat has been used in the field and in U.S. hospitals where it has saved lives by stopping traumatic bleeding in accidents, gunshot wounds and major surgical bleeding." The product had been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. It was one of the latest in a series of Army efforts to improve survival rates on the battlefield. Today, 90% of injured troops survive their wounds, the highest rate of any war, Cordts said in an interview. He credited better training of combat medics, better body armor the troops wear and better tactics they use on the battlefield, as well improved bandages, tourniquets and so on. Defense Department figures show that as of this month, more than 4,800 troops have been killed in Iraq and the global war on terror. The latter category counts casualties mostly from Afghanistan. Some 34,000 troops have been wounded in the wars, where insurgents have made wide use of roadside bombs and other explosives. Excessive blood loss is the number one killer on the battlefield, and the Army announced in October that it was sending two potential lifesavers - the WoundStat packets and a bandage called Combat Gauze - to replace older other products that had been in use at the time. A committee of Army medics, Navy corpsmen, surgeons and others recommended the Combat Gauze bandage - which has an agent that triggers blood clotting - should be the first-line treatment for life-threatening hemorrhaging in cases where a tourniquet could not be placed, such as the armpit or groin area. The WoundStat granules were to be used if the bandage failed to work. Cordts said the Army put out a message on Dec. 18, directing the temporary halt in use of WoundStat. Though it has arrived at the war zones, officials are unclear on how widely it has been distributed so far. They're working to identify any soldiers who got the treatment, study their cases and examine them for any problems with blood clotting, Cordts said. He said he didn't know whether it had been used on any soldiers and thus had no reports back from the field - positive or negative - on how effective it might have been. Cordts said that after an additional few months of study, officials will likely determine whether they should discontinue its use altogether or perhaps redistribute it with warnings for how it is to be used. -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:34:30 -0500 From: "Schulz, John" <pjschu at bpthosp.org> Subject: Service Health Care- To: <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <D315C875A2E5064B93BC6AC0ABCF074A03612A41 at EXCH1.bpthosp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dr. Mattox, you are SO right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John T Schulz III, MD, PhD, FACS Associate Chairman, Department of Surgery Chief, Trauma/Burns/Surgical Critical Care Director, Andrew J Panettieri Burn Center Bridgeport Hospital 267 Grant Street Bridgeport, CT 203-384-3890 pjschu at bpthosp.org -----Original Message----- From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of trauma-list-request at trauma.org Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:00 AM To: trauma-list at trauma.org Subject: trauma-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Send trauma-list mailing list submissions to trauma-list at trauma.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.mistral.net/mailman/listinfo/trauma-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trauma-list-request at trauma.org You can reach the person managing the list at trauma-list-owner at trauma.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of trauma-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready (brenildo) 2. Re: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready (brenildo) 3. Re: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready (brenildo) 4. RE: is yelling acceptable?? ever?? (jimcarroll at pobox.com) 5. Bangkok Nightclub Fire (Marc Matthews - MedPro MMC X) 6. Re: Bangkok Nightclub Fire (Murray Tasker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:18:45 -0200 From: "brenildo" <brenildo33 at uol.com.br> Subject: Re: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <2A41894E14104A62BA31E9148C09143E at cmeis399e33f30> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original of course ! because of this it happened the economical crash! and the devasting crisis. Ice heart of people nd don?t come asking heart transplant that?s it folks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bills, Anne" <abills at the-med.org> To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready > Could you teach our "county" hospital how to do this? We are so much in > the red that we have now hired a consulting firm for 10.5 million dollars > to get us 7 million out of debt. How absurd is that? > Anne Bills, RN > > -----Original Message----- > From: KMATTOX at aol.com [mailto:KMATTOX at aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:01 PM > To: trauma-list at trauma.org > Subject: Fwd: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has > happenedalready > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > From: KMATTOX at aol.com > Reply-to: med-events at ccm-l.org > To: med-events at ccm-l.org > Sent: 12/30/2008 8:00:24 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happened already > > > Use whatever terms you wish: Single payer, Universal Health, > Governmental > Health Care, Public Health Service, etc. > > US SOCIAL SERVICE HEALTH CARE IS HERE, at least for 44 or more million > people in the United States. It works quite well and is very > standardized. It > happens in hospitals with names such as Bellvue, Parkland, Ben Taub, > Charity, > LA County, SF General, and many others. In these "county" hospitals the > common (often limited number of payers) funding comes from the local and > federal taxpayers, as adverse selection does not happen. The faculty > and > resident salaries are standardized as are the working hours. The > procedures and > standards of practice are defined by the latest evidenced based scientific > articles. The quality is assured by the multiple checks and balances. > Out of > necessity, un necessary procedures are usually not done and un necessary > tests and images are not performed, just to satisfy the industry driven > mill of > the hospital selling goods and services for the profit of the > stockholders. > > Kenneth Mattox > Houston > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo > Mail. _Try it now_ > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0 0000025) > . > > > _______________________________________________ > Med-events mailing list > Med-events at ccm-l.org > http://lists.ccm-l.org/mailman/listinfo/med-events > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0 0000025) > > -- > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Nenhum virus encontrado nessa mensagem recebida. Verificado por AVG - http://www.avgbrasil.com.br Versao: 8.0.197 / Banco de dados de virus: 270.10.1/1869 - Data de Lancamento: 30/12/2008 12:06 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:35:40 -0200 From: "brenildo" <brenildo33 at uol.com.br> Subject: Re: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <38C87F96B4FB404FAE8E40F4FC801F34 at cmeis399e33f30> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original PERFECT STATEMENT IN THE WAY YOU ALWAYS DO CONGRATULATIONS FROM RIO, BRAZIL ----- Original Message ----- From: <KMATTOX at aol.com> To: <trauma-list at trauma.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: Fwd: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready > > > > > ____________________________________ > From: KMATTOX at aol.com > Reply-to: med-events at ccm-l.org > To: med-events at ccm-l.org > Sent: 12/30/2008 8:00:24 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happened already > > > Use whatever terms you wish: Single payer, Universal Health, > Governmental > Health Care, Public Health Service, etc. > > US SOCIAL SERVICE HEALTH CARE IS HERE, at least for 44 or more million > people in the United States. It works quite well and is very > standardized. It > happens in hospitals with names such as Bellvue, Parkland, Ben Taub, > Charity, > LA County, SF General, and many others. In these "county" hospitals the > common (often limited number of payers) funding comes from the local and > federal taxpayers, as adverse selection does not happen. The faculty > and > resident salaries are standardized as are the working hours. The > procedures and > standards of practice are defined by the latest evidenced based scientific > articles. The quality is assured by the multiple checks and balances. > Out of > necessity, un necessary procedures are usually not done and un necessary > tests and images are not performed, just to satisfy the industry driven > mill of > the hospital selling goods and services for the profit of the > stockholders. > > Kenneth Mattox > Houston > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo > Mail. _Try it now_ > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0 0000025) > . > > > _______________________________________________ > Med-events mailing list > Med-events at ccm-l.org > http://lists.ccm-l.org/mailman/listinfo/med-events > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0 0000025) > -- > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Nenhum virus encontrado nessa mensagem recebida. Verificado por AVG - http://www.avgbrasil.com.br Versao: 8.0.197 / Banco de dados de virus: 270.10.1/1869 - Data de Lancamento: 30/12/2008 12:06 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:03:18 -0200 From: "brenildo" <brenildo33 at uol.com.br> Subject: Re: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <78237197D080480BBBC11B6D7EE770C6 at cmeis399e33f30> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original PERFECT TRUTH IN THE WAY YOU ALWAYS DO. CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR STATEMENTS! VERY IMPRESSIVE AS ALWAYS AND WITH BEST PERSONAL WISHES TO BE KEPT AS SO IN 2009 BRENILDO TAVARES MD YOUR ADMIRER FROM RIO-BRAZIL ----- Original Message ----- From: <KMATTOX at aol.com> To: <trauma-list at trauma.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: Fwd: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happenedalready > > > > > ____________________________________ > From: KMATTOX at aol.com > Reply-to: med-events at ccm-l.org > To: med-events at ccm-l.org > Sent: 12/30/2008 8:00:24 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: [Med-Events] US Social Service Health Care- It has happened already > > > Use whatever terms you wish: Single payer, Universal Health, > Governmental > Health Care, Public Health Service, etc. > > US SOCIAL SERVICE HEALTH CARE IS HERE, at least for 44 or more million > people in the United States. It works quite well and is very > standardized. It > happens in hospitals with names such as Bellvue, Parkland, Ben Taub, > Charity, > LA County, SF General, and many others. In these "county" hospitals the > common (often limited number of payers) funding comes from the local and > federal taxpayers, as adverse selection does not happen. The faculty > and > resident salaries are standardized as are the working hours. The > procedures and > standards of practice are defined by the latest evidenced based scientific > articles. The quality is assured by the multiple checks and balances. > Out of > necessity, un necessary procedures are usually not done and un necessary > tests and images are not performed, just to satisfy the industry driven > mill of > the hospital selling goods and services for the profit of the > stockholders. > > Kenneth Mattox > Houston > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo > Mail. _Try it now_ > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0 0000025) > . > > > _______________________________________________ > Med-events mailing list > Med-events at ccm-l.org > http://lists.ccm-l.org/mailman/listinfo/med-events > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0 0000025) > -- > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Nenhum virus encontrado nessa mensagem recebida. Verificado por AVG - http://www.avgbrasil.com.br Versao: 8.0.197 / Banco de dados de virus: 270.10.1/1869 - Data de Lancamento: 30/12/2008 12:06 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:11:52 -0500 From: <jimcarroll at pobox.com> Subject: RE: is yelling acceptable?? ever?? To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <27c7a1191bb69470b92ee6e0c9958679 at roundcube-imap-cyrus.mailstore.pobox.c om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:32:25 -0500, "Bjorn, Pret" <pbjorn at emh.org> wrote: > > Let's close this stinking thread and be rid of it. We wish... Pret also gave us his usual astute take: > If there are no hospital or medical staff policies for disruptive / abusive behaviors, it falls to the responsibility and discretion of supervisors -- which should in itself inspire the prompt development of reasonable and enforceable policies. Now take a look at http://www.jointcommission.org/SentinelEvents/SentinelEventAlert/sea_40. htm for a "sentinel event alert" If you're JCAHO accredited: Effective January 1, 2009 for all accreditation programs, The Joint Commission has a new Leadership standard (LD.03.01.01)* that addresses disruptive and inappropriate behaviors in two of its elements of performance: EP 4: The hospital/organization has a code of conduct that defines acceptable and disruptive and inappropriate behaviors. EP 5: Leaders create and implement a process for managing disruptive and inappropriate behaviors. In addition, standards in the Medical Staff chapter have been organized to follow six core competencies (see the introduction to MS.4) to be addressed in the credentialing process, including interpersonal skills and professionalism. ___ The potential effect of this gives one pause. It does give latitude to the individual organization struggling to come up with such a policy or "code of conduct", but its scope is potentially quite sweeping. Jim Carroll, CRNA ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:35:33 -0700 From: "Marc Matthews - MedPro MMC X" <Marc_Matthews at medprodoctors.com> Subject: Bangkok Nightclub Fire To: <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <28907859B728CA469FCD77AB2DBB10EA47D11E at mpmail1.medprodoctors.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To the trauma list server, This reminds me of the Rhode Island nightclub fire. History has repeated itself as fireworks were again the cause as reported in this article. I am sorry/sad to hear about this tragedy and express my sadness and condolences to all of those injured and to the families of all of those that were killed. MRM Bangkok nightclub fire kills 59, injures 130 Dec 31, 7:45 PM (ET) By DENIS D. GRAY <http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Nightclub_Fire.sff_BK11 8_20081231175147.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0> (AP) Firefighter sprays water on the remains of a night club Thursday, Jan. 1, 2009, in Bangkok,... Full Image <http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Nightclub_Fire.sff_BK11 8_20081231175147.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0> BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - A fire swept through a high-class nightclub jammed with several hundred New Year <http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor= %22New+Year%22> 's revelers early Thursday, killing at least 59 people and injuring about 130, officials said. A number of foreigners were among the casualties from the blaze that erupted shortly after midnight at the Santika Club in Bangkok's entertainment district. Victims died from burns, smoke inhalation and injuries during the stampede to escape from the club, which had only one door for the public, police Maj. Gen. Chokchai Deeprasertwit said. Firefighters said a door at the rear was known only to the staff, while an Associated Press <http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor= %22Associated+Press%22> reporter saw a third door at one side of the building. Video footage of the disaster showed bloodied, bruised and burned victims being dragged out of the burning club or managing to run through the door or shattered windows. The video - provided to AP Television News <http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor= %22AP+Television+News%22> by rescue workers - showed flames racing through the entire building even as the rescue operation was going on. Police Gen. Jongrak Jutanont put the death toll at 59, which included an undetermined number of foreigners. He said that among the injured were nationals of Australia, Nepal, Japan and the Netherlands. <http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK105_2008 1231155952.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0> (AP) Bangkok Fire and Rescue officials remove the dead from the scene of a night club fire Thursday,... Full Image <http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK105_2008 1231155952.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0> Most of the victims were confirmed dead at the club but at least one person died at a hospital. Workers counting bodies told AP that about 130 others were injured. Rescue said they believed other bodies were still inside the blaze-gutted building, which has two stories and a basement. Chokchai said that the fire may have been caused by firecrackers brought into the Santika Club <http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor= %22Santika+Club%22> by guests or sparks flying from a New Year's countdown display on the nightclub stage. The Web site of The Nation newspaper quoted one party-goer, Somchai Frendi <http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor= %22Somchai+Frendi%22> , as saying the blaze was caused by fireworks that ignited the second floor ceiling, which was made largely of sound-proofing material. The club was packed with about 1,000 celebrants, according to police officers who declined to be named because they were not authorized to speak to the press. Most of the bodies were found in the basement of the club, which attracts a well-heeled crowd of Thais and foreigners, rescuers said. The corpses, placed in white body bags, were laid out in rows in the parking lot in front of the club. <http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK103_2008 1231155247.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0> (AP) BangkokFire and Rescue officials remove the dead from the scene of a night club fire Thursday, Jan.... Full Image <http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK103_2008 1231155247.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0> The emergency workers said the rescue operation was delayed because of heavy New Year's traffic in the Ekamai entertainment district and the large number of cars parked at the club. Firefighter Watcharapong Sri-saard said that in addition to a lack of exits, a number of staircases inside the club as well as bars across the second-floor windows made escape difficult. An AP reporter who peered inside the still burning building said everything in sight had been burned. "Bodies, some of them probably alive, were falling off the stretchers as the rescue workers rushed them away. The flames were glowing through the broken glass windows. A part of the building had already collapsed," said Andrew Jones of England <http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor= %22Andrew+Jones+of+England%22> , who arrived at the scene shortly after the fire erupted. One local Web site about the entertainment scene in Bangkok described the club as attracting "an affluent Thai student crowd, with Euro models and Westerners also popping in" with a "whisky-sipping crowd all focused on a large stage." Another site says that the high ceiling and a cross in the main room makes one feel "like walking into a church." --- Associated Press writer Christopher Blake contributed to this report ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:24:01 +1300 From: "Murray Tasker" <murray.tasker at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Bangkok Nightclub Fire To: "Trauma &, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org> Message-ID: <a339c0710812311924n1221407dpc33a8dec29340ce4 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 unsubscribe 2009/1/1 Marc Matthews - MedPro MMC X <Marc_Matthews at medprodoctors.com> > To the trauma list server, > > This reminds me of the Rhode Island nightclub fire. History has repeated > itself as fireworks were again the cause as reported in this article. I am > sorry/sad to hear about this tragedy and express my sadness and condolences > to all of those injured and to the families of all of those that were > killed. > > MRM > > > Bangkok nightclub fire kills 59, injures 130 > > > > > Dec 31, 7:45 PM (ET) > > By DENIS D. GRAY > > < > http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Nightclub_Fire.sff_BK118 _20081231175147.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0 > > > (AP) Firefighter sprays water on the remains of a night club Thursday, Jan. > 1, 2009, in Bangkok,... > Full Image < > http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Nightclub_Fire.sff_BK118 _20081231175147.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0 > > > > > > BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - A fire swept through a high-class nightclub jammed > with several hundred New Year < > http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor=% 22New+Year%22> > 's revelers early Thursday, killing at least 59 people and injuring about > 130, officials said. A number of foreigners were among the casualties from > the blaze that erupted shortly after midnight at the Santika Club in > Bangkok's entertainment district. > > Victims died from burns, smoke inhalation and injuries during the stampede > to escape from the club, which had only one door for the public, police Maj. > Gen. Chokchai Deeprasertwit said. Firefighters said a door at the rear was > known only to the staff, while an Associated Press < > http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor=% 22Associated+Press%22> > reporter saw a third door at one side of the building. > > Video footage of the disaster showed bloodied, bruised and burned victims > being dragged out of the burning club or managing to run through the door or > shattered windows. The video - provided to AP Television News < > http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor=% 22AP+Television+News%22> > by rescue workers - showed flames racing through the entire building even > as the rescue operation was going on. > > Police Gen. Jongrak Jutanont put the death toll at 59, which included an > undetermined number of foreigners. He said that among the injured were > nationals of Australia, Nepal, Japan and the Netherlands. > > < > http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK105_20081 231155952.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0 > > > (AP) Bangkok Fire and Rescue officials remove the dead from the scene of a > night club fire Thursday,... > Full Image < > http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK105_20081 231155952.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0 > > > Most of the victims were confirmed dead at the club but at least one person > died at a hospital. Workers counting bodies told AP that about 130 others > were injured. Rescue said they believed other bodies were still inside the > blaze-gutted building, which has two stories and a basement. > > Chokchai said that the fire may have been caused by firecrackers brought > into the Santika Club < > http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor=% 22Santika+Club%22> > by guests or sparks flying from a New Year's countdown display on the > nightclub stage. > > The Web site of The Nation newspaper quoted one party-goer, Somchai Frendi > < > http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor=% 22Somchai+Frendi%22> > , as saying the blaze was caused by fireworks that ignited the second floor > ceiling, which was made largely of sound-proofing material. > > The club was packed with about 1,000 celebrants, according to police > officers who declined to be named because they were not authorized to speak > to the press. > > Most of the bodies were found in the basement of the club, which attracts a > well-heeled crowd of Thais and foreigners, rescuers said. The corpses, > placed in white body bags, were laid out in rows in the parking lot in front > of the club. > > < > http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK103_20081 231155247.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0 > > > (AP) BangkokFire and Rescue officials remove the dead from the scene of a > night club fire Thursday, Jan.... > Full Image < > http://apnews.myway.com/image/20081231/Thailand_Pub_Fire.sff_BK103_20081 231155247.html?date=20090101&docid=D95E16FO0 > > > The emergency workers said the rescue operation was delayed because of > heavy New Year's traffic in the Ekamai entertainment district and the large > number of cars parked at the club. > > Firefighter Watcharapong Sri-saard said that in addition to a lack of > exits, a number of staircases inside the club as well as bars across the > second-floor windows made escape difficult. > > An AP reporter who peered inside the still burning building said everything > in sight had been burned. > > "Bodies, some of them probably alive, were falling off the stretchers as > the rescue workers rushed them away. The flames were glowing through the > broken glass windows. A part of the building had already collapsed," said > Andrew Jones of England < > http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=de&searchfor=% 22Andrew+Jones+of+England%22> > , who arrived at the scene shortly after the fire erupted. > > One local Web site about the entertainment scene in Bangkok described the > club as attracting "an affluent Thai student crowd, with Euro models and > Westerners also popping in" with a "whisky-sipping crowd all focused on a > large stage." > > Another site says that the high ceiling and a cross in the main room makes > one feel "like walking into a church." > > --- > > Associated Press writer Christopher Blake contributed to this report > > > -- > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG <http://trauma.org/> > To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: > http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ > ------------------------------ -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ End of trauma-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 ****************************************** ------------------------------ -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ End of trauma-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 ******************************************
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