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It should be noted that Forrest is posting from the Country of New Jersey where the majority of EMTs do NOT function under a medical director and where the majority of BLS squads do NOT have treatment protocols and therefore rely only upon the DOT standard curriculum as a guide to treatment.
-Scott Beaudoin, MICP

Subject: RE: C-SPINE CLEARANCE - surprise
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:51:24 -0500
From: nmcswai at tulane.edu
To: trauma-list at trauma.org

Re: C-SPINE CLEARANCE - surprise

unfortunately that is way out of date. too much foot dragging to get out a new one. ATLS, PHTLS and BTLS are the current standards for physicians and EMTs respectively

Norman

Norman McSwain MD
Trauma Director, Charity Hospital
Professor of Surgery, Tulane University
New Orleans LA
504 988 5111
norman.mcswain at tulane.edu

From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Forrest Robleto
Sent: Sat 8/22/2009 10:38 PM
To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]
Subject: Re: C-SPINE CLEARANCE - surprise

DOT Standard Curriculum

V/R

Forrest Robleto, NCEE
R House Health & Safety
www.RHouseTraining.com
FRobleto at RhouseTraining.com
609-792-9047

Pablo Picasso<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html>
- "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Larry Torrey <ltorrey at maine.rr.com> wrote:

> Standard EMT protocol where?  I didn't think that anything was standard in
> EMS
>
> Not protocol around here.
>
> LT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forrest Robleto <farcpr at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:08:48
> To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG <http://trauma.org/>]<trauma-list at trauma.org>
> Subject: Re: C-SPINE CLEARANCE - surprise
>
>
> Why is EMS putting  cervical collars on GSW patients?  Standard EMT
> protocol.
> Are we hurting more people than we are helping using cervical  collars?
> From
> all I've read
> Are we hurting more people than we are helping using cervical  collars? I
> hope not but I have no recourse.
>
>
> V/R
>
> Forrest Robleto, NCEE
> R House Health & Safety
> www.RHouseTraining.com <http://www.rhousetraining.com/>
> FRobleto at RhouseTraining.com
> 609-792-9047
>
>
>
>
> Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach<
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html>
>  - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day."
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:38 PM, <KMATTOX at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > clue
> >
> > Why is EMS putting  cervical collars on GSW patients?
> > Why would ANYONE at ANYTIME and ANYWHERE give a patient with a spinal
> cord
> > injury any form of a steroid or apply hypothermia
> > Are we hurting more people than we are helping using cervical  collars?
> > Are cervical collars in concept basically flawed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/22/2009 3:22:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >  candymsnjd at aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> > K
> > can you give us a hint? is it that blue dye found in m and  m's?
> > but seriously, we are all waiting to learn the new information...hope
>  its
> > sooner than later
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: KMATTOX at aol.com
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Sent:  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:29 pm
> > Subject: Re: C-SPINE CLEARANCE -  surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe,   I am  checking out the data, the research, the  publications.
> >
> > On at least 5 times in the past, suggestions of the data  that I have
> seen
> > has been a massive attack upon those who proposed  it and a running into
> > obscurity.
> >
> > As soon  as the information is solid and truly evidence based, I will
> share
> >
> > it.
> >
> > I do remember how much many on this list  tried to assassinate me when I
> > initially questioned MAST pants,  helicopter use for urban use,
> interosseus
> >
> > infusions, aggressive IV  solutions, hypotensive resuscitation, EC
> > thoracotomy,
> > CT vs arteriogram  for aortic injury, and many others.   I have deep
>  scars
> > to  prove it.
> >
> > k
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/22/2009  12:12:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > andrewj.bowman at gmail.com  writes:
> >
> > Wouldn't  it be better for us and the patients we care for  if you
> > shared the  information now?
> >
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