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Bjorn, Pret pbjorn at emh.orgMon Aug 10 14:58:57 BST 2009
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And as for the "Why Not" part: 1: Functional recovery from prehospital arrest in the context of blunt trauma runs something less than a fraction of one percent on either side of nil. Sticking needles in the chest will have about the same effect as painting the patient's toenails. And all the while there may be an overpolite guy in the passenger seat with a decent pulse and a busted spleen. 2: Needle decompression carries discrete and absolute indications, of which pulselessness is merely one (and, as above, the least useful). The patient should be showing signs of tension pneumothorax (which in this degree of extremis would include absent breath sounds, little or no ventilatory movement, an expanded and hyperresonant thorax, and most likely a startling general somatic inflation, observable in real time). 3: See #1. There's argument of course that needles will do little if any harm under the circumstances; but data is accumulating that most of these needles don't reach the pleural space anyhow. So we're back to the pedicure analogy. Pret Bjorn, RN Bangor, ME USA -----Original Message----- From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of kmattox Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:18 AM To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG] Subject: Re: Blunt Trauma No ------Original Message------ From: Keith Carter Sender: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org To: trauma-list at trauma.org ReplyTo: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG] Sent: Aug 10, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: Blunt Trauma Pre- Hospital Cardiac Arrest due to blunt trauma. Is Standing Order for bilateral needle decompression by paramedics warranted and justified? Why or why not ? paramedicmd at msn.com -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/
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