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Mon Aug 3 10:35:32 BST 2009

OK, I never did complete charm school. I am blunt. I do not think that I
am being inconsistent. Tact was never my strong point. 

I believe that the TASER is a tool that suffers mainly from
misunderstanding and misuse. Misunderstanding by people exposed to
inflammatory news reports, rather than research. Misuse by people, who
have been poorly trained or people who should never be in any position
of to use a TASER.

The same applies to intubation and RSI. The problems are not with the
procedure, but with the oversight and with the people using intubation
and RSI. There is abuse, but the solution to the abuse is to deal with
the people who are causing the problem, not to ban something that is
safe in the right hands.

As with aggressive sedation of patients presenting with agitated
delirium, I do not believe the problems are with the use of aggressive
sedation, but with the misunderstanding of appropriate use and with
misuse. Allowing the agitated delirium to continue is not an acceptable
choice.

Tim Noonan. 

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:13 -0500, "D.E. (Donn) Barnes"
<donn at phudpucker.com> wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> Derision is uncalled for and perhaps even displays a personal bias.
> People
> do have opinions on this topic and I see no reason to deride them by
> demanding citations or trying to rub their noses for failing to produce
> same. It lends nothing to the discussion.
> 
> Perhaps you should cool your jets, my friend.
> 
> Donn
> 
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org 
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of 
> > htaed_rd at 123mail.org
> > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:35 PM
> > To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]
> > Subject: Re: Taser in ER
> > 
> > On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:46 +0000, cadeth66 at aol.com wrote:
> > > I presume the need of having armed guards, carrying tasers 
> > or any other
> > > lethal or non-lethal would depend largely on the area and people you
> > > service. Out here in Somerset county NJ there is not so 
> > much of a need
> > 
> > And yet, in your original email, you felt comfortable making a blanket
> > statement condemning the idea.
> > 
> > Tim Noonan.
> > 
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jduchesn at tulane.edu
> > > 
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:40:18 
> > > To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]<trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Taser in ER
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dear Mathew: Over killed?.....Not here in Charity New Orleans ;o)
> > > Duchesne CharityOne- NO
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cadeth66 at aol.com
> > > 
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:35:22 
> > > To: Trauma-List [TRAUMA.ORG]<trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Taser in ER
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I personally believe its over-kill for any Hospital 
> > security guard to be
> > > armed.
> > > 
> > >   Granted some of the people we treat may be potentially 
> > dangerous most
> > >   of the time a situation can be verbally de-escalated
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Matthew Schumacher, EMT-B
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