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The United States is not being maligned or bashed.  It is being measured.  And before you start suggesting that your services are "free" and "unfettered," try testing that assertion by canceling your heath insurance.  I bet your willingness to seek prudent and appropriate medical services for you and your family will be DEEPLY affected.

How easy it is to deny or dismiss a problem, so long as it doesn't apply to you.

Pret Bjorn, RN
Bangor, ME USA

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From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Marc Matthews - MedPro MMC X
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:21 AM
To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
Subject: RE: discussion on frances system

All,

I work in a "County" medical center in Arizona called Maricopa Integrated Health Systems. Everyone in Arizona, no matter where they come from, gets "free healthcare", if they do not have a cent and need medical assistance. Many, if not most of my patients, do not have insurance yet they have unfettered access to me and many physicians. This even includes anyone from south of the border that becomes sick in the United States and subsequently needs help. So the statement, "Nolte said the large number of Americans who lack any type of health insurance -- about 47 million people in a country of about 300 million, according to U.S. government estimates -- probably was a key factor in the poor showing of the United States compared to other industrialized nations in the study", is probably not as accurate as he would like to believe. Laws such as EMTALA, make sure that if you do not have insurance, you will still receive care and I would suspect that if you live in AZ, CA, KY or any state (places that have similar county or university hospitals), you get care on demand without the demonstrated ability to pay. Certainly this means life-saving care. 

So, exactly what were they looking at to come to these conclusions? Is he talking about follow up? Has he heard of a 9- global period? Patients are still eligible to get care in AZ and I am sure many states as we have ways to do help patients especially through Medicare and money via foundations, so again statements like this, ""I wouldn't say it (the last-place ranking) is a condemnation, because I think health care in the U.S. is pretty good if you have access. But if you don't, I think that's the main problem, isn't it?" Nolte said in a telephone interview", are not exactly accurate or else the study has a flaw(s) that have led them to an inaccurate conclusion. While we are not perfect and are constantly a work in progress, much like our democracy, I doubt that in the industrialized world we are last. 

I am also getting more than a little tired of the United States being maligned and bashed.

Sincerely,

Marc R. Matthews, MD, FACS
Medical Director of Trauma Services 
Maricopa Integrated Health Services

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From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Mike Smertka
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:51 AM
To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
Subject: discussion on frances system

Happy new year everyone. 

  I thought this headline was interesting considering all the talk about the French Trauma prehospital system as of late. I know this doesn't break down trauma from respiritory infections in neonates, but I thought it was worth considering:

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080108/hl_nm/deaths_rankings_dc

  Basically it says france rated first in preventable deaths and Us was much lower on this list.

  Mike

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