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Redux: is yelling acceptable?? NO!

Charlene M Morris cvmmorris at gmail.com
Tue Dec 30 12:53:43 GMT 2008


This tantrum is old school behavior. It was tolerated generations ago-- BUT
SHOULD NOT be ok in the 21st century. I have many surgeon stories and a few
FP, but the short answer is: this is NOT acceptable behavior and can be
dangerous.

JMO--

CMM

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Gross, Ronald <Ronald.Gross at bhs.org> wrote:

> Sorry to say this, but it sounds like this particular physician would be
> deemed a "disruptive physician" and would be mandated to have counseling.  I
> would tend to agree with this, and would state further that I have seen
> physicians just like this receive suspensions and even loose privileges.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Angela
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:06 AM
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
>  Subject: is yelling accepatable?? ever??
>
>
> I work with a pariticular trauma surgeon and he loses his temper easily and
> resorts to yelling and screaming at all staff until hiis orders are done and
> things go his way overall .  My trauma team are no amateurs and have a good
> flow when it' s gets busy.  Your walking on egg shells around him because no
> one  knows what will upset him.  And he never says ," sorry for acting out
> of line." Thouhghts?
>
> JMH hospital , MIami
>
> > From: trauma-list-request at trauma.org
> > Subject: trauma-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 29
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:30:08 +0000
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: trauma-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 28 (luisfr28 at gmail.com)
> >    2. Ang: John Pryor, M.D. (Johan Malmgren)
> >    3. new text - Essentials of Terror Medicine (Jeffrey Hammond)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:47:39 +0000
> > From: luisfr28 at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: trauma-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 28
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Message-ID:
> >
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> >
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> >
> > Sadness and violence reflects the enviroment of conflicts like irak does,
> but Dr Pryor had vissions and reflections about the civilian violence and
> war, his washington post article shows it, like a surgeon , like a man, from
> Venezuela ,i present my repect and really sorry your loss..
> > Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-request at trauma.org
> >
> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:00:10
> > To: <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Subject: trauma-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 28
> >
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: John Pryor MD (listasmsd)
> >    2. Re: John Pryor MD (Sohail Muzammil)
> >    3. Re: John Pryor, M.D. (nappio at aol.com)
> >    4. Re: John Pryor, M.D. (Karim Brohi)
> >    5. Re: John Pryor, M.D. (Forrest Robleto)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:27:10 -0400
> > From: "listasmsd" <listasmsd at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: John Pryor MD
> > To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
>  > Message-ID: <7472F9B54BAA456096E8F96F0D453419 at compaq>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Meaning what a pity? or very sorry? or it hurts?
> > cordially
> > Manuel Sotelo
> > Caracas D.C.
> >
> >
> > Que lastima!!!
> >
> > Charlene
> > in NC.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:12 PM, <moore677 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >From Pat Reilly at Penn............
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Patrick M. Reilly <reillyp at uphs.upenn.edu>
> > > To: Forrest O. Moore <moore677 at aol.com>
> > > Sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 9:43 am
> > > Subject: EAST Mail: John Pryor MD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've tried to call many of the Penn Trauma family personally over the
> last
> > > several hours.  I apologize if I have not gotten through to you.
>  You're
> > > welcome
> > > to give me call if you would like.
> > >
> > > Sorry to need to forward this email...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is with profound sadness and an overwhelming sense of loss that we
> send
> > > this
> > > communication. Last evening we were notified that Major John Pryor was
> > > killed by
> > > enemy fire in Iraq. John was serving his second tour as a combat
> surgeon
> > > with
> > > the United States Army. He deployed on December 6th and had been on
> > > location
> > > with a forward surgical team.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John came to the University of Pennsylvania in 1999 after completing
> his
> > > surgical training at the State University of New York in Buffalo. After
> > > his
> > > Fellowship in trauma surgery and critical care he joined the faculty of
> > > the
> > > Department of Surgery and currently was serving as the Trauma Program
> > > Director
> > > for the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JP" was a magical man, with boundless energy and goodness. He as was a
> > > devoted
> > > son, husband, father, colleague and friend. He was an outstanding
> > > physician,
> > > gifted surgeon, teacher and mentor. At his core were many great values
> but
> > > his
> > > passion for service to others and gave back something to each and
> everyone
> > > of
> > > us, everyday. His favorite quote, by Albert Schweitzer, hangs in his
> > > office
> > > and
> > > it captures the essence of John Pryor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >            ".. Seek always to do some good, somewhere. Every man has to
> > > seek in
> > > his own way to realize his true worth. You must give some time to your
> > > fellow
> > > man. Even if it's a little thing, do something for those who need help,
> > > something for which you get no pay but the privilege of doing it. For
> > > remember,
> > > you don't lie in a world all your own. Your brothers are here, too."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  John's sudden death while serving as a physician on the battlefield,
> is a
> > > very
> > > personal loss for the many of us who have worked side by side with him
> in
> > > our
> > > Emergency Department,  OR's and ICU's, and all the more stark coming
> > > unexpectedly in this h
> > > oliday season. All of us have lost one of our "brothers".
> > > Our thoughts are with his wife Carmella Calvo, their three children and
> > > all
> > > the
> > > family.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We will pass on further information about services and ways in which we
> > > can
> > > help
> > > the Pryor family as they become available.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > C. William Schwab MD
> > >
> > > Chief, Division of Trauma and Critical Care
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > James Mullen MD
> > >
> > > Interim Chair, Department of Surgery
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:12:24 +0500
> > From: "Sohail Muzammil" <sohailmuzammil at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: John Pryor MD
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Message-ID:
> >       <17ede7bb0812280612u41a171f6ld9b8d882f9dd3b68 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Dear Dr Mattox,
> >
> > A very touching eulogy for a fallen comrade. My prayers go out to all
> lives
> > so needlessly lost to this; indeed to all conflicts. It is a sad
> reflection
> > on the state of humanity that arguments still need to be settled with
> sharp
> > instruments and explosives. It remains our onerous duty to patch up as
> best
> > we can the results of man's inhumanity to man; and perhaps raise a voice
> > against this insanity (as you Dr. Mattox often do).
> >
> > Regards
> > S Muzammil, FRCS
> >
> > PS: Eid Al Adha (and the Hajj) passed recently. Ramadan was about a
> couple
> > of months ago.
> > .....................
> > ....Third, how so very sad to loose John Pryor during this special time
> of
> > the
> > year.    For all of the major faiths with which we in the United  States
> are
> > most familiar, their festive and holy times are now:   Christianity,
> > Judaism,
> > Islam, Quanza.    Yes, even Ramadan is  now......
> >
> > ....We each will rededicate our genetically predetermined professionalism
> to
> > be
> > built on the foundations of your work.
> >
> > Kenneth L. Mattox, MD
> > Houston
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:19:23 +0000
> > From: nappio at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: John Pryor, M.D.
>  > To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <1526666961-1230477618-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2061082293- at bxe293.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > Karim, although there may be countless individuals throughout the year
> that may benefit from good will, I feel during this special season many on
> the trauma.org site would like very much to show their support to the
> Pryor family thru a scholarship donation for his children. Possibly directly
> into a 529 savings plan.  Is that something the list administration could
> consider spearheading or any colleagues' of his who are on the list?David
> Napoliello md facs
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: KMATTOX at aol.com
> >
> > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:04:47
> > To: <ccm-l at ccm-l.org>; <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Cc: <SURGINET at listserv.utoronto.ca>
> > Subject: John Pryor, M.D.
> >
> >
> > To the many families, friends, and colleagues of Dr. John Pryor.
> >
> > First, John died doing what he and all on these lists are genetically
> > programmed to do - care for their fellow men and women, give them a
> chance at
> > survival and recovery and to return them as a functional member of
>  society.
> > John trained in his chosen profession to be the  medical adventurer that
> is an
> > understandable underlying and unquenchable force  which is present in
> each of
> > us.    Going to the heart of danger,  both in the large inner city
> hospital as
> > well as in a war in bay off lands, we  see the toughest of the tough; the
> task
> > which others might retreat or shirk  from, John found his peace while
> > attempting to piece together the most complex  of cases.
> >
> > Second, John understood the illogic of his chosen field of trauma
>  surgery.
> > He understood that the streets of Philadelphia were just as  dangerous as
> the
> > venues of hostility in a country at war.   He  understood that he was
> > predestined to be in the heat of the battle, whether it  be Philadelphia
> or Mosal.
> >   It was his fate to patch  up the secondary effects of man's inhumanity
> to
> > man.    Yes, in  an ideal world preventive strategies would completely
> > eliminate the area of  surgical skill where John was most skilled and
> comfortable, the
> > need for John  Pryor's in the future will never be eliminated.    Now and
> for
> >  the long foreseeable future, the acute care trauma critical care surgeon
> > will at  the pinnacle of physicians in demand and needed in communities
> around
> > the  world, especially the United States.
> >
> > Third, how so very sad to loose John Pryor during this special time of
> the
> > year.    For all of the major faiths with which we in the United  States
> are
> > most familiar, their festive and holy times are now:   Christianity,
> Judaism,
> > Islam, Quanza.    Yes, even Ramadan is  now.
> >
> > Some on these list knew John Pryor very well and their loss is most
>  severe.
> >  Our hearts, prayers, support, and understanding are extended  to them.
> > Some knew John peripherally or were just learning of his  developing
> career
> > trajectory.   Still others only suffer as they know  John represents the
> kind of
> > surgical spirit that all surgeons possess.   Yes, John Pryor has the
> trauma
> > surgeon's genome.   There is no need  for question or discussion.   We
> each in our
> > own way know exactly why  John was in Iraq.   On another day, the loss
> could
> > have been any one  of us.
> >
> > John:  as a soldier, we respect and salute you.
> >           as a teacher, we  seek to emulate you.
> >           as a visionary, we  support you.
> >           as a surgeon we  recognize your master skills
> >           as a human, we  applaud and memorialize your unique and lasting
> > contributions.
> >
> > We each will rededicate our genetically predetermined professionalism to
> be
> > built on the foundations of your work.
> >
> > Kenneth L. Mattox, MD
> > Houston
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:52:07 +0000
> > From: "Karim Brohi" <karimbrohi at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: John Pryor, M.D.
> > To: "Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <b8b351510812281252n3e7637eeucd21a06083a3741e at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > DavidOf course.  I'm happy for trauma.org to coordinate this, although
> it'll
> > be a little difficult for me to set up from here.  If you or someone
> close
> > to John can set this up we can make donations available through the
> website.
> >  Otherwise I could set up a Paypal account for people to donate to and
> then
> > forward proceeds to his family or an appropriate intermediary.
> > I know John was close to many people on this list, in the US and
> > internationally, and we'll do everything we can to help his family.
> > Karim
> >
> > 2008/12/28 <nappio at aol.com>
> >
> > > Karim, although there may be countless individuals throughout the year
> that
> > > may benefit from good will, I feel during this special season many on
> the
> > > trauma.org site would like very much to show their support to the
> Pryor
> > > family thru a scholarship donation for his children. Possibly directly
> into
> > > a 529 savings plan.  Is that something the list administration could
> > > consider spearheading or any colleagues' of his who are on the
> list?David
> > > Napoliello md facs
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: KMATTOX at aol.com
> > >
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:04:47
> > > To: <ccm-l at ccm-l.org>; <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > > Cc: <SURGINET at listserv.utoronto.ca>
> > > Subject: John Pryor, M.D.
> > >
> > >
> > > To the many families, friends, and colleagues of Dr. John Pryor.
> > >
> > > First, John died doing what he and all on these lists are genetically
> > > programmed to do - care for their fellow men and women, give them a
> chance
> > > at
> > > survival and recovery and to return them as a functional member of
> > >  society.
> > > John trained in his chosen profession to be the  medical adventurer
> that is
> > > an
> > > understandable underlying and unquenchable force  which is present in
> each
> > > of
> > > us.    Going to the heart of danger,  both in the large inner city
> hospital
> > > as
> > > well as in a war in bay off lands, we  see the toughest of the tough;
> the
> > > task
> > > which others might retreat or shirk  from, John found his peace while
> > > attempting to piece together the most complex  of cases.
> > >
> > > Second, John understood the illogic of his chosen field of trauma
>  surgery.
> > > He understood that the streets of Philadelphia were just as  dangerous
> as
> > > the
> > > venues of hostility in a country at war.   He  understood that he was
> > > predestined to be in the heat of the battle, whether it  be
> Philadelphia or
> > > Mosal.
> > >  It was his fate to patch  up the secondary effects of man's inhumanity
> to
> > > man.    Yes, in  an ideal world preventive strategies would completely
> > > eliminate the area of  surgical skill where John was most skilled and
> > > comfortable, the
> > > need for John  Pryor's in the future will never be eliminated.    Now
> and
> > > for
> > >  the long foreseeable future, the acute care trauma critical care
> surgeon
> > > will at  the pinnacle of physicians in demand and needed in communities
> > > around
> > > the  world, especially the United States.
> > >
> > > Third, how so very sad to loose John Pryor during this special time of
> the
> > > year.    For all of the major faiths with which we in the United
>  States
> > > are
> > > most familiar, their festive and holy times are now:   Christianity,
> > > Judaism,
> > > Islam, Quanza.    Yes, even Ramadan is  now.
> > >
> > > Some on these list knew John Pryor very well and their loss is most
> > >  severe.
> > >  Our hearts, prayers, support, and understanding are extended  to them.
> > > Some knew John peripherally or were just learning of his  developing
> career
> > > trajectory.   Still others only suffer as they know  John represents
> the
> > > kind of
> > > surgical spirit that all surgeons possess.   Yes, John Pryor has the
> trauma
> > > surgeon's genome.   There is no need  for question or discussion.   We
> each
> > > in our
> > > own way know exactly why  John was in Iraq.   On another day, the loss
> > > could
> > > have been any one  of us.
> > >
> > > John:  as a soldier, we respect and salute you.
> > >          as a teacher, we  seek to emulate you.
> > >          as a visionary, we  support you.
> > >          as a surgeon we  recognize your master skills
> > >          as a human, we  applaud and memorialize your unique and
> lasting
> > > contributions.
> > >
> > > We each will rededicate our genetically predetermined professionalism
> to be
> > > built on the foundations of your work.
> > >
> > > Kenneth L. Mattox, MD
> > > Houston
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,
> > > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:37 -0500
> > From: "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: John Pryor, M.D.
> > To: "Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <2277979f0812281519o5df09733j10ea26715d89d88d at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > I'm not too far away,  I check tomorrow to see what it would take to set
> > this up.
> >
> >
> > V/R
> >
> > Forrest Robleto
> > R House Health & Safety
> > www.RHouseTraining.com <http://www.rhousetraining.com/>
> > FRobleto at RhouseTraining.com
> > 609-792-9047
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Fran Lebowitz  - "My favorite animal is steak."
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Karim Brohi <karimbrohi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > DavidOf course.  I'm happy for trauma.org to coordinate this, although
> > > it'll
> > > be a little difficult for me to set up from here.  If you or someone
> close
> > > to John can set this up we can make donations available through the
> > > website.
> > >  Otherwise I could set up a Paypal account for people to donate to and
> then
> > > forward proceeds to his family or an appropriate intermediary.
> > > I know John was close to many people on this list, in the US and
> > > internationally, and we'll do everything we can to help his family.
> > > Karim
> > >
> > > 2008/12/28 <nappio at aol.com>
> > >
> > > > Karim, although there may be countless individuals throughout the
> year
> > > that
> > > > may benefit from good will, I feel during this special season many on
> the
> > > > trauma.org site would like very much to show their support to the
> Pryor
> > > > family thru a scholarship donation for his children. Possibly
> directly
> > > into
> > > > a 529 savings plan.  Is that something the list administration could
> > > > consider spearheading or any colleagues' of his who are on the
> list?David
> > > > Napoliello md facs
> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: KMATTOX at aol.com
> > > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:04:47
> > > > To: <ccm-l at ccm-l.org>; <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > > > Cc: <SURGINET at listserv.utoronto.ca>
> > > > Subject: John Pryor, M.D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To the many families, friends, and colleagues of Dr. John Pryor.
> > > >
> > > > First, John died doing what he and all on these lists are genetically
> > > > programmed to do - care for their fellow men and women, give them a
> > > chance
> > > > at
> > > > survival and recovery and to return them as a functional member of
> > > >  society.
> > > > John trained in his chosen profession to be the  medical adventurer
> that
> > > is
> > > > an
> > > > understandable underlying and unquenchable force  which is present in
> > > each
> > > > of
> > > > us.    Going to the heart of danger,  both in the large inner city
> > > hospital
> > > > as
> > > > well as in a war in bay off lands, we  see the toughest of the tough;
> the
> > > > task
> > > > which others might retreat or shirk  from, John found his peace while
> > > > attempting to piece together the most complex  of cases.
> > > >
> > > > Second, John understood the illogic of his chosen field of trauma
> > >  surgery.
> > > > He understood that the streets of Philadelphia were just as
>  dangerous as
> > > > the
> > > > venues of hostility in a country at war.   He  understood that he was
> > > > predestined to be in the heat of the battle, whether it  be
> Philadelphia
> > > or
> > > > Mosal.
> > > >  It was his fate to patch  up the secondary effects of man's
> inhumanity
> > > to
> > > > man.    Yes, in  an ideal world preventive strategies would
> completely
> > > > eliminate the area of  surgical skill where John was most skilled and
> > > > comfortable, the
> > > > need for John  Pryor's in the future will never be eliminated.    Now
> and
> > > > for
> > > >  the long foreseeable future, the acute care trauma critical care
> surgeon
> > > > will at  the pinnacle of physicians in demand and needed in
> communities
> > > > around
> > > > the  world, especially the United States.
> > > >
> > > > Third, how so very sad to loose John Pryor during this special time
> of
> > > the
> > > > year.    For all of the major faiths with which we in the United
>  States
> > > > are
> > > > most familiar, their festive and holy times are now:   Christianity,
> > > > Judaism,
> > > > Islam, Quanza.    Yes, even Ramadan is  now.
> > > >
> > > > Some on these list knew John Pryor very well and their loss is most
> > > >  severe.
> > > >  Our hearts, prayers, support, and understanding are extended  to
> them.
> > > > Some knew John peripherally or were just learning of his  developing
> > > career
> > > > trajectory.   Still others only suffer as they know  John represents
> the
> > > > kind of
> > > > surgical spirit that all surgeons possess.   Yes, John Pryor has the
> > > trauma
> > > > surgeon's genome.   There is no need  for question or discussion.
> We
> > > each
> > > > in our
> > > > own way know exactly why  John was in Iraq.   On another day, the
> loss
> > > > could
> > > > have been any one  of us.
> > > >
> > > > John:  as a soldier, we respect and salute you.
> > > >          as a teacher, we  seek to emulate you.
> > > >          as a visionary, we  support you.
> > > >          as a surgeon we  recognize your master skills
> > > >          as a human, we  applaud and memorialize your unique and
> lasting
> > > > contributions.
> > > >
> > > > We each will rededicate our genetically predetermined professionalism
> to
> > > be
> > > > built on the foundations of your work.
> > > >
> > > > Kenneth L. Mattox, MD
> > > > Houston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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