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Fri Aug 8 13:32:49 BST 2008

do you carry versed?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jules <jkaymdc at aim.com>
To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Sedation for combative patients

i would also be interested in this information. A week ago I was 
involved in
a call for a "trauma" although the individual had driven the pick-up 
into
the ditch at a slow speed..no damage to the vehicle. However, the 
person was
showing signs of "meth" use (possible OD), had experienced a seizure 
and was
at this time extremely violent, swinging at me and LE each time we 
attempted
to calm him.

The only medication I had available was Valium...IM of course, which was
like spitting in the wind.

In the end he was tased 5 times, had received a total of 5 valium IM, 5
Valium IV, 4 Ativan IV, and 5 Haldol IM (between pre hospital and 
hospital)
before he was controlled.

Suggestions?

Jules

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Sarah CAllier 
<sarah_callier at yahoo.com>wrote:

> What is your openion on the sedation of combative patients? I am 
involved
> in a protocal commitie for EMS, We are looking at establishing 
protocals to
> allow the sedation of combative patients. Pt's that would fit into the
> catagory for this treatment would be Psychiatric patientswho are 
violent and
> pose a threat to themselves to the Police and to EMS providers. We 
will have
> strict guidelines for the administration of the medications. We are 
looking
> at using Versed Ativan and possibly the use of Droperidol. We are also
> looking at the possibility of sedation for RSI and for combative 
trauma
> patients. Any openions on what is better?
>
>
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