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Really?  
I help facilitate (God help me if I said teach) ATLS at my institution and the midlevels (PAs and NPs alike) all participate in the skills lab.
Ben

----- Original Message ----
From: Jane Harper <janeharper at mac.com>
To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:22:13 PM
Subject: Re: ATLS!

I can't speak for anyone else, but when I audited ATLS I was kept out of all
the skill stations.  It's exactly parallel to the situation in ACLS in the
1980s -- just because my license prevents me from performing some skills
independently doesn't mean I should be shunted to the back of the bus during
the course.  I can't crack a chest independently, but so what?  I can't
intubate independently either (because I haven't gotten the opportunity to
practice the skill), but I still get an ACLS card and verification that I've
mastered the content.

Just my $0.02.

Jane

On 4/25/08 18:59, "Andrew J Bowman" <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not see what the big deal is.
> 
> Who cares if PA's are "certified" in ATLS? What does that mean? They slogged
> through a 2 day course and passed a test.
> 
> RN's and NP's may audit ATLS. RN's and NP's may be "certified in TNCC, CATN,
> ATCN, TNATC, BTLS, PHTLS.
> 
> I have been a medic for 25 years, an ED RN for 17 and an ED ACNP for 1.  I
> am judged on my experience and skills that I exhibit each day more so than
> then the list of letters on my resume.
> 
> Just my opinion on the matter and nothing else.
> 
> Andrew Bowman
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Harper" <janeharper at mac.com>
> To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: ATLS!
> 
> 
>> But if they *only* certify PAs and not NPs -- there are gonna be some sore
>> NPs out here.  There are a LOT of us working in trauma now.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/25/08 16:53, "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> OH-- I sincerely hope not!! I would prefer this to be a step in the right
>>> direction, Jane-- for all of us advanced practice clinicians!!
>>> 
>>> Charlene
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jane Harper <janeharper at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh goody, one more thing to drive a wedge between midlevel providers.
>>>> 
>>>> Jane Harper, RN, ACNP-BC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/25/08 16:42, "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> www.aapa.org Hot off the presses-- or perhaps I should say-- this is
>>>>> the
>>>> 1st
>>>>> I have heard of PAs being certified in ATLS!?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charlene Morris. PA
>>>>> Advanced Trauma Life Support Cards for PAs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Starting in October 2008, PAs will receive cards for completing the
>>>> Advanced
>>>>> Trauma Life Support (ATLS) course offered by the American College of
>>>>> Surgeons (ACS). Between now and this fall, ACS will work to restructure
>>>> the
>>>>> rules, design the cards, and inform ATLS course managers of the new
>>>> policy.
>>>>> Until then, PAs will continue to receive letters indicating that they
>>>> have
>>>>> attended the course. AAPA liaisons to the ACS have worked for many
>>>>> years
>>>> to
>>>>> achieve this goal. Dan Vetrosky, PA-C, M.Ed., current Academy liaison
>>>>> to
>>>>> ACS, congratulated all those whose past efforts contributed to this
>>>>> achievement.
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