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Our local university hospital
Has cadaver labs
About twice a year
Usually paire with an ATLS or FCCS course
Kind of suprising in this day and age
Charles

----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Bowman <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com>
To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Cc: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:28:52 PM
Subject: Re: ATLS!

I am sorry for your bad ATLS audit experience.

When I did it I was allowed to "play" at all of the dog lab skill  
stations.

TNATC has a great pig lab if you can find one in your area.

Andrew

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Andrew J. Bowman
Acute Care Nurse Practitioner
Trauma Nurse Specialist
Emergency Department Registered Nurse
Paramedic

On Apr 25, 2008, at 20:22, Jane Harper <janeharper at mac.com> wrote:

> I can't speak for anyone else, but when I audited ATLS I was kept  
> out of all
> the skill stations.  It's exactly parallel to the situation in ACLS  
> in the
> 1980s -- just because my license prevents me from performing some  
> skills
> independently doesn't mean I should be shunted to the back of the  
> bus during
> the course.  I can't crack a chest independently, but so what?  I  
> can't
> intubate independently either (because I haven't gotten the  
> opportunity to
> practice the skill), but I still get an ACLS card and verification  
> that I've
> mastered the content.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Jane
>
>
> On 4/25/08 18:59, "Andrew J Bowman" <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not see what the big deal is.
>>
>> Who cares if PA's are "certified" in ATLS? What does that mean?  
>> They slogged
>> through a 2 day course and passed a test.
>>
>> RN's and NP's may audit ATLS. RN's and NP's may be "certified in  
>> TNCC, CATN,
>> ATCN, TNATC, BTLS, PHTLS.
>>
>> I have been a medic for 25 years, an ED RN for 17 and an ED ACNP  
>> for 1.  I
>> am judged on my experience and skills that I exhibit each day more  
>> so than
>> then the list of letters on my resume.
>>
>> Just my opinion on the matter and nothing else.
>>
>> Andrew Bowman
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jane Harper" <janeharper at mac.com>
>> To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" <trauma- 
>> list at trauma.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: ATLS!
>>
>>
>>> But if they *only* certify PAs and not NPs -- there are gonna be  
>>> some sore
>>> NPs out here.  There are a LOT of us working in trauma now.
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/25/08 16:53, "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OH-- I sincerely hope not!! I would prefer this to be a step in  
>>>> the right
>>>> direction, Jane-- for all of us advanced practice clinicians!!
>>>>
>>>> Charlene
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jane Harper <janeharper at mac.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh goody, one more thing to drive a wedge between midlevel  
>>>>> providers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jane Harper, RN, ACNP-BC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/08 16:42, "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> www.aapa.org Hot off the presses-- or perhaps I should say--  
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> the
>>>>> 1st
>>>>>> I have heard of PAs being certified in ATLS!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlene Morris. PA
>>>>>> Advanced Trauma Life Support Cards for PAs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting in October 2008, PAs will receive cards for completing  
>>>>>> the
>>>>> Advanced
>>>>>> Trauma Life Support (ATLS) course offered by the American  
>>>>>> College of
>>>>>> Surgeons (ACS). Between now and this fall, ACS will work to  
>>>>>> restructure
>>>>> the
>>>>>> rules, design the cards, and inform ATLS course managers of the  
>>>>>> new
>>>>> policy.
>>>>>> Until then, PAs will continue to receive letters indicating  
>>>>>> that they
>>>>> have
>>>>>> attended the course. AAPA liaisons to the ACS have worked for  
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> years
>>>>> to
>>>>>> achieve this goal. Dan Vetrosky, PA-C, M.Ed., current Academy  
>>>>>> liaison
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> ACS, congratulated all those whose past efforts contributed to  
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> achievement.
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