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Sat Apr 26 01:54:18 BST 2008

Last time I looked there were no TNATC courses within 500 miles.  We don't
even do TNCC/ATCN in Illinois.

J.

On 4/25/08 19:28, "Andrew Bowman" <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am sorry for your bad ATLS audit experience.
> 
> When I did it I was allowed to "play" at all of the dog lab skill
> stations.
> 
> TNATC has a great pig lab if you can find one in your area.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> Sent from my iPhone!!
> 
> Andrew J. Bowman
> Acute Care Nurse Practitioner
> Trauma Nurse Specialist
> Emergency Department Registered Nurse
> Paramedic
> 
> On Apr 25, 2008, at 20:22, Jane Harper <janeharper at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I can't speak for anyone else, but when I audited ATLS I was kept
>> out of all
>> the skill stations.  It's exactly parallel to the situation in ACLS
>> in the
>> 1980s -- just because my license prevents me from performing some
>> skills
>> independently doesn't mean I should be shunted to the back of the
>> bus during
>> the course.  I can't crack a chest independently, but so what?  I
>> can't
>> intubate independently either (because I haven't gotten the
>> opportunity to
>> practice the skill), but I still get an ACLS card and verification
>> that I've
>> mastered the content.
>> 
>> Just my $0.02.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/25/08 18:59, "Andrew J Bowman" <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not see what the big deal is.
>>> 
>>> Who cares if PA's are "certified" in ATLS? What does that mean?
>>> They slogged
>>> through a 2 day course and passed a test.
>>> 
>>> RN's and NP's may audit ATLS. RN's and NP's may be "certified in
>>> TNCC, CATN,
>>> ATCN, TNATC, BTLS, PHTLS.
>>> 
>>> I have been a medic for 25 years, an ED RN for 17 and an ED ACNP
>>> for 1.  I
>>> am judged on my experience and skills that I exhibit each day more
>>> so than
>>> then the list of letters on my resume.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion on the matter and nothing else.
>>> 
>>> Andrew Bowman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jane Harper" <janeharper at mac.com>
>>> To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-
>>> list at trauma.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ATLS!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> But if they *only* certify PAs and not NPs -- there are gonna be
>>>> some sore
>>>> NPs out here.  There are a LOT of us working in trauma now.
>>>> 
>>>> Jane
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/25/08 16:53, "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> OH-- I sincerely hope not!! I would prefer this to be a step in
>>>>> the right
>>>>> direction, Jane-- for all of us advanced practice clinicians!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charlene
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jane Harper <janeharper at mac.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh goody, one more thing to drive a wedge between midlevel
>>>>>> providers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jane Harper, RN, ACNP-BC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/25/08 16:42, "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.aapa.org Hot off the presses-- or perhaps I should say--
>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 1st
>>>>>>> I have heard of PAs being certified in ATLS!?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Charlene Morris. PA
>>>>>>> Advanced Trauma Life Support Cards for PAs
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Starting in October 2008, PAs will receive cards for completing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Advanced
>>>>>>> Trauma Life Support (ATLS) course offered by the American
>>>>>>> College of
>>>>>>> Surgeons (ACS). Between now and this fall, ACS will work to
>>>>>>> restructure
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rules, design the cards, and inform ATLS course managers of the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>> Until then, PAs will continue to receive letters indicating
>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> attended the course. AAPA liaisons to the ACS have worked for
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> achieve this goal. Dan Vetrosky, PA-C, M.Ed., current Academy
>>>>>>> liaison
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> ACS, congratulated all those whose past efforts contributed to
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> achievement.
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