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GSW TO RIGHT CHEST. IT GETS WORSE
Matthew Reeds mgreeds at reeds.uk.comTue Sep 4 21:42:56 BST 2007
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I am not surprised that he had ongoing haemorrhage into his chest given the output, or even that it was ongoing bleeding as a result of a lung laceration (this is a fairly common finding when the haemorrhage has not been controlled and "self-tamponaded" itself by adequate lung reinflation early on after the injury.) Right thoracotomy for a lung OR oesophageal injury is entirely appropriate (if it had been a cardiac injury I would have preferred a sternotomy.) I assume that the haemostasis with the autostapler was adequate after the thoracotomy, that this stopped the haemorrhage and there was no further bleeding? I also trust that his clotting is now within an acceptable range? (Is this merely a presumption here Sal?) Ignoring the issue of barium-v-gastrografin which has already been discussed, I am not surprised that he has an oesophageal inury (or that he will now develop a gastrografin induced pneumonitis) but I am surprised that this injury was not picked up on the original thoracotomy. It is clear even to me (remember I am not a radiologist!) that there is extravasation of contrast which, I feel, indicated an injury which would have been easily identifiable at surgery. [I have not long finished an Ivor-Lewis oesophago-gastrectomy. This chap was 20 odd stone upwards and both his abdominal and thoracic cavities were dark deep holes with seas of fat. Despite this, we were still able to get great visualisation of all the various structures without even looking for an injury; and in this case an oesophageal injury was extremely high up on the list (if not the highest) and so should have been actively investigated and identified.] He needs to go back to the OR URGENTLY for a thoracotomy (unfortunately his 2nd.) He needs a thorough washout to prevent mediastinitis (if not already developed.) Any reason for not using barium is now dismissed because it would also be washed out IMMEDIATELY - irrespective of barium or gastrografin contrast.) He needs debridement of any non-viable oesophageal tissue. He needs either:- 1) a resection and primary anastomosis (with numerous drains - in case of a subsequent anastomotic leak/breakdown); 2) bringing out the "leak" through the chest as a T-tube; or, 3) oesophagostomy I would be keen to hear others' views on this list regarding which procedure they would perform (I am sure that there are people who sit STRONGLY in each of the respective camps!) At this point, I am fortunate to remember my priorities and recollect that I was NOT happy with the original CT scan and therefore wanted an angiogram. I would certainly want this straight away as I would want to plan for any vascular repair of the thoracic cavity now and plan my options carefully (consider a joint procedure and thereby obviate the need for a 3rd thoracotomy!) I am sure that things are going to get even worse with the twists in this case which are still to come! Matthew -----Original Message----- From: sjasmd at aol.com [mailto:sjasmd at aol.com] Sent: 04 September 2007 17:24 To: trauma-list at trauma.org Subject: Re: GSW TO RIGHT CHEST. IT GETS WORSE Haim, Matthew and Ken We are all in agreement that this case is not going in the direction we would have taken it. By the end of the one negative rigid esophaogoscopy, one equivocal flexible eseophagogoscopy?and bronchoscopy, ?his chest tube output had continued to a level that warranted operation. He then underwent right thoracotomy which revealed bleeding from the through and through lung laceration. This was managed by stapling the tract closed with hemostasis. Two chest tubes were left in. He then went to? a small GI fluoroscopy room one floor away from the OR (despite having an angiography suite next door to the trauma OR) where a gastrograffin esophagogram was performed. You will note that the gastrograffin is aspirated but the airway was protected by the endotracheal tube. I have attached it for your review He is then transported BACK to the OR what to do now sal -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Reeds <mgreeds at reeds.uk.com> To: 'Trauma & Critical Care mailing list' <trauma-list at trauma.org> Sent: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 1:17 pm Subject: GSW TO RIGHT CHEST. BARIUM CONTRAST STUDY PLEASE I agree. I too would not be happy with the ultimate quality of the CT and, as per my last posting, would want therefore want an angiogram at this point (with the hindsight of having now reviewed the images on a proper screen.) I also agree with requesting a barium contrast study (for the reasons mentioned in my posting on Friday - better quality, fewer false positives and negatives than gastrograffin etc.) The one side effect of barium will be countermanded easily by a washout (rapidly in the OR if a leak has been demonstrated) versus the many reasons for not using gastrograffin. The 3-0 argument is a suitable way of putting the relevant issues into context. Here is some anecdotal evidence on gastrograffin. Over the past week, 3 non-trauma patients have had gastrograffin studies in our hospital (2 swallow, 1 enema.) All demonstrated no leak. However, all 3 had leaks which were missed on the study! Sal, I still remained concerned regarding his chest drain output but have not, as yet, been provided with further information that I require to enable me to make a decision regarding this. There must clearly now be an ongoing bleed in this thoracic cavity which needs addressing. I need further information though in order for me to make an appropriate management decision on this. What is his clotting and vital signs etc.? Matthew -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/
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