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Unstable SCI, can they move arms in CT?
Bjorn, Pret pbjorn at emh.orgTue Sep 4 18:29:07 BST 2007
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Ignoring for the sake of brevity the provocative revelation that radiologists can be nitpicky (OMG!), and admitting from the start that EVERYONE IN GREAT BRITAIN IS SMARTER THAN ME, I must nonetheless express almost infinite skepticism: You've seen "numerous" cases of spinal column injury converting to SCI during imaging? And you haven't "[found] the time look more closely at these incidents to determine exactly what was happening?" Sorry, Paul. I'm not buying. This is the sort of unsubstantiated, unquantified summary of anecdotal memory from which urban mythology takes nourishment. You owe it to the world to identify and publish those cases of yours. Pret -----Original Message----- From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Paul.Harrison at sth.nhs.uk Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:44 PM To: trauma-list at trauma.org Subject: RE: Unstable SCI, can they move arms in CT? I reviewing radiological literature, keeping the arms above the head for PET/CT examinations appears to be required to avoid serious streak artifacts on CT. In clinical practice, the continued use of the rescue board and extrication collar and / or head blocks in suspected / actual acute cervical spinal/SCI patients usually prevents this from being undertaken easily or comfortably by the patient. Obviously, any trauma patient demonstrating physical difficulty in raising arms above head increases suspicion of shoulder injury but difficulty / pain experienced when asked to voluntarily raising arms is also a sign of actual/potential cervical/high thoracic spinal /spinal cord injury. Passively raising limbs in such patients is known to cause cervico-thoracic pain resulting in reflex head/upper body movement (even against restraining protective devices) such as lifting, hyperextension or rotation of head/upper body with at least the potential for secondary injury. As in the previous report I can recall no specific secondary cord injury/extension related to this actual manoeuvre but can recall numerous incidences of conversion of actual spinal injury to spinal cord injury during CT/MRI scanning and this discussion suggests to me that perhaps I should find the time look more closely at these incidents to determine exactly what was happening at the time that the patient complained of/demonstrated neurological deterioration. Also actual conversion incidents in patients asked or 'assisted' to raise arms to remove clothing. In my own and SCI Centre colleagues clinical experience in UK we cannot recall a request for positioning a patient with actual or grossly suspected high spinal or spinal cord injury in this way. I have put in a request to the SCI-LINK network and will report as I hear back. Once the patient is referred to the SCI team it is common practice throughout the UK to initially limit upper limb movement above the shoulder girdle until radiological survey has been reviewed by SCI consultant. This is a consensus guideline supported by all disciplines - particularly physiotherapists involved in early passive limb movements. Time restrictions will be applied on an individual basis. The particular dynamic sequencing of passively moving a paralysed upper limb above the shoulder girdle is well established within SCI centres to reduce the muscular movement at the cervico-thoracic junction during this exercise and is often taught to radiographers along with a similar sequence to enhance 'shoulder pulling' for flat x-ray views. In cervical disc disease patients often present holding the arm elevated and behind the head, presumably because this manoeuvre reduces the tension on the nerve root and thus lessens the pain, illustrating the extent to which vertebral movement can be occasioned during the manoeuvre. I'll try to add more to this post when replies from colleagues come in. Johan, I will be hopefully visiting Sahlgrenska SCI centre in late October and may have opportunity to call in to Crit Care if convenient? Paul Harrison Clinical Development Officer Princess Royal Spinal Injuries Centre Sheffield UK +44 (0) 114 2715616 ________________________________ From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of johan.malmgren at vgregion.se Sent: 02 September 2007 10:16 To: trauma-list at trauma.org Subject: Unstable SCI, can they move arms in CT? Everytime we have a patient with suspected spinal cord injury there's a discussion when doing the initial trauma-CT about mobilization of the arms. To get the best possible CT pictures the CT tech wants the patient to have his/her arms above head (well, above in the direction of continuing the bed :) ), and it is up to the traumaleader's approval to arrange this. The patients are on spine board and with stiff neck collar. Now, we're having a meeting in a few days about problems concerning trauma patients in the xray dept (why are they there if unstable etc etc), and it turns out that our spinal cord dept wants to send a nurse or physiotherapist on every suspected SCI-trauma to be the one giving approval for arm movement. Personally I think we're too crowded as it is. My question for the group is: Has there been any well performed studies of what actually happens with an unstable SCI when doing these manouvres? What are your local traditions with this? I would like to attend this meeting with some good science in my back pocket! :) Johan Malmgren Resident, Anaesthesia, Critical Care & Traumatology Dept of Anaesthesia and Critical Care Sahlgrenska University Hospital Gothenburg, Sweden +46313428073 [Work] +46707696961 [Mobile] -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/index.php?/community/
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