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Tue Nov 27 18:08:37 GMT 2007

Ron,

Uh, I haven't gotten to the "all wars" part yet after just over an hour. If
this list watches that movie..... Katie bar the door! Holy Moly, I thought I
was bad at stirring things up.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
On Behalf Of Ronald Simon
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:31 AM
To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
Subject: Re: Grady

In a semi related matter, have any of you seen Zeitgeist? Its a movie that
talks about war (all wars) and that they are all financially driven. I am
aware that it us pretty biased but it does open ones eyes to some
interesting coincidences. You can only get it online. Okay back to
business....
ron simon

Robert F. Smith wrote:
> Ron and Roy,
>
> So we should close the few remaining public hospitals in the US 
> because of the low lifes that seek care there?
>
> And the compelling reason to have our soldiers continue to get killed 
> in Iraq is because if we brought them all home some of them would get 
> killed in the process?
>
> Rob Smith
>
> PS Please tell me you're not saying Iraq was involved in 9/11. And I 
> also think drug pricing here is an outrageous boondoggle and all 
> solutions should start with getting rid of the lawyers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org 
> [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
> On Behalf Of Ronald Gross
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:31 AM
> To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: RE: Grady
>
> Roy,
>
> You actually said what I was thinking but didn't have to stomach to 
> put it out there.
>
> Ron
>
>   
>>>> Roy Danks <roydanks at hotmail.com> 11/27/2007 10:12 AM >>>
>>>>         
> Yes, by all means.  Let's continue to fund those who won't go out and 
> work for a living, who are too lazy to flip burgers at McD's, who 
> would rather peddle drugs than legal wares, who use violence to solve 
> problems, who have children but no way to pay for them...let me pay 
> more taxes so that others can live the high life and never lift a finger.
>  
> And, let's take funding away from the soldiers in Iraq so they don't 
> have the means to defend themselves.  Let's forget 9/11, it was 
> probably a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence.
>  
> Pret, how would you pull out of Iraq?  Have you contacted your 
> Congressman or the President with a grand plan?  How do you pull out 
> thousands of soldiers without leaving a few behind to be 
> massacered?And, the answer isn't "we should never have gone there".  
> Because, we are there and without a plan to get out, we'll be there a long
time.
>  
> Hey!  Maybe the physicians at Grady could work for less money!  Yeah!  
> Cut their earnings so that others may continue to suck off the government
tit!
>  
> Get real, Pret.  You're not part of the solution.
>
>
>
>   
>> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:24:21 -0500> From: pbjorn at emh.org> To:
>>     
> trauma-list at trauma.org> Subject: RE: Grady> > Sad that all this red 
> ink comes to a small fraction of one per cent of> Georgia's share of 
> federal healthcare reimbursement slashed by the> current 
> administration.> > Fifty million dollar budget shortfall? End the Iraq 
> war six hours early> and let Grady keep the change.> > Pret Bjorn> 
> Bangor, ME USA> > > > > -----Original
> Message-----> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org>
> [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. Smith>
Sent:
> Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:52 AM> To: rockmd at aol.com; 'faran bokhari'>
Cc:
> 'Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list'> Subject: Grady> > > > 
> Atlanta Hospital Moves to Unburden Itself of Debt > > > By KEVIN SACK> 
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/kevin_sa
> ck> /ind> ex.html?inline=nyt-per> and SHAILA DEWAN> 
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/shaila_d
> ew> an/i> ndex.html?inline=nyt-per> > > ATLANTA, Nov. 26 - The 
> politically appointed board of Atlanta's troubled> charity hospital 
> effectively voted itself out of business Monday, the> first> step in 
> at least a short-term escape from the insolvency that had> threatened> 
> the region's only top-level trauma center.> > Without the financial 
> bailout made possible by the vote, the hospital,> Grady> Memorial, was 
> at risk of not meeting its payroll, perhaps by the end of> the> year, 
> hospital officials had warned. Though Grady, like most public> 
> hospitals> 
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealth
> to>
> pics> /hospitals/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier> , has faced 
> pics> intermittent>
> financial crises in the past, this one has generated real anxiety> 
> <http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/stress-and-anxiety/o
> ve>
> rvie> w.html?inline=nyt-classifier> because of its roots in a 
> rvie> collision of>
> national forces, including the unchecked growth of uncompensated care> 
> and> deep cuts in government reimbursements. > > Political leaders and 
> medical officials have worried that Grady, woven> into> Atlanta's 
> social fabric since 1892, might follow Martin Luther King> Jr.-Harbor 
> Hospital in Los Angeles County as a casualty in 2007. If so,> the> 
> consequence would be a "patient tsunami" at other area hospitals, the> 
> Metropolitan Atlanta Chamber of Commerce said in a report earlier 
> this> year.> > Grady - which supplies the region with its only 24-hour 
> trauma center as> well as poison control and burn units and large 
> clinics for AIDS> 
> <http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/aids/overview.html?in
> li>
> ne=n> yt-classifier> and sickle>
> <http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/sickle-cell-anemia/ov
> er>
> view> .html?inline=nyt-classifier> cell anemia - has operated in the 
> view> red
> for> 10> of the last 11 years. It is expected to run a deficit of $50
> million to> $55> million in this year's $730 million budget. > > The 
> hospital owes an accumulated $63 million to its biggest creditors,> 
> the> medical school at Emory University> 
> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/e
> mo> ry_u> niversity/index.html?inline=nyt-org> and the Morehouse 
> School of> Medicine,> which provide its doctors and have threatened to 
> train residents> elsewhere.> Republican state legislators had 
> threatened a state takeover if
> local> officials did not reconstitute the hospital's governance 
> local> structure.>
>   
>> Following a raucous meeting marked by chants and protest, the 
>> 10-member>
>>     
> Fulton-DeKalb Hospital Authority voted unanimously to hand daily 
> control>
> of> Grady and its affiliated clinics and services to a nonprofit
> corporation> to> be formed for that purpose.> > A Chamber of Commerce 
> corporation> to> task
> force had advised earlier this year that a> governance change was 
> needed to remove the hospital from the control of> the> elected 
> commissioners of Fulton and DeKalb Counties and to restore the> 
> confidence of lenders, foundations and Georgia's Republican leaders. > 
> > Advocates for patients have warned that the hospital would become 
> less> responsive to community needs if it was operated by a less 
> political> board.> But with few other options and Grady's fiscal 
> condition worsening, the> authority felt it had little choice.> > "In
three weeks, our cash position would have been zero,"
> the> authority's> vice chairman, Dr. Chris Edwards, said at the 
> the> meeting
> Monday.> > In its resolution, the hospital authority, which would 
> continue to own> Grady's buildings and land, made explicit that its 
> willingness to
> hand> over> control depended on substantial financial commitments from 
> hand> over> both
> the> public> and private sectors.> > Before the lease, to be executed 
> the> public> by
> Dec. 31, becomes effective, the> hospital> must receive written 
> commitments for a capital infusion of $200 million> from> businesses 
> and philanthropies.> > In addition, the resolution demands that state 
> leaders provide written> support for $30 million in new state aid.> > 
> A. D. Correll, a former chairman of the Georgia-Pacific Corporation 
> and> the> co-chairman of the task force, said he considered the vote a 
> critical> first> step, though with provisos attached. "They were a
surprise, a lot of> them,"> Mr.
> Correll said of the conditions, "and they require action on a whole> 
> lot> of people's parts." > > Mr. Correll said a single anonymous donor 
> had agreed to give the> hospital> $200 million if the donor approved 
> of the governance system changes. He> said> he was confident that the 
> private sector could raise an additional $100> million in two or three 
> years.> > The fate of the hospital has become a keenly watched civic 
> drama,> overlaid> with issues of race and class. > > Some black 
> activists and elected officials had warned that the> governance> 
> change would shift control of the hospital from black political 
> leaders> to> white business leaders. The hospital's problems, they 
> said, are> financial> and not political.> > Chamber of Commerce 
> officials, white and black, have responded that the> only> color that 
> matters in the campaign to save Grady is green. And> justifiably> or 
> not, they say, business leaders and state officials were willing to> 
> participate in a rescue only if they saw a real departure from past> 
> practice, when the hospital's board was perceived to lack technical> 
> expertise and the will to block corruption and cronyism.> > > > --> 
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