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I so agree with these statements.  Without the spilling of that red blood, 
we would not be able to have many of the freedoms we have.  I personally 
thank those who safeguard this right for me, and owe a debt to those who 
have given the ultimate price to secure those rights.

Sara
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald Gross" <rgross at harthosp.org>
To: <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Sensibilities

Charlene,

I hear you.  Even though I been truly offended, in the past, by comments 
made on this site that disparaged 3 things that are very dear to me and my 
being - that is being an American, and American soldier, and a Jew - I am 
sensitive to the fact that I cannot:
1. forbide anyone from expressing their views, and
2. lower myself to a level of behavior that I would not accept from my kids, 
and that my parents never tolerated from theirs.

I think that we should all remember that a lot of good red blood has been 
spilled so as to protect the First Amendment rights of all people, both here 
and abroad, and we continue to spill blood because of the intolerance of 
folks like Mr./Dr. Klein.  We need to reverse the slide.

I'll shut up now.

Ron

>>> "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> 11/19/07 1:28 PM >>>
You know, not to condone Mr/Dr. Klein's inappropriate message, I do KNOW
from history that some people have very emotional issues concerning
anti-Semitism and religious considerations that block our usual pre-frontal
cortex filtering system.

To vilify another's beliefs must really be handled gently if at all, as
misunderstanding others results in reactions similar to this and other
behaviors we in the US have indeed witnessed here and abroad in recent
years.

Pax--

Charlene Morris, PA-C

On 11/19/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
>
> Too bad.  He might just have learned something about proper adult
> behavior.......
>
> >>> "Phil Hoffman" <phoffman at charlevoixmfg.com> 11/19/2007 12:52 PM >>>
>
> My fellow list members,
>
> Mr. Klein has been unsubscribed.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
> On Behalf Of Forrest Robleto
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:17 PM
> To: Trauma &, Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
> Profanity is the refuge of the ignorant.
>
> On Nov 19, 2007 12:09 PM, <even.klein at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Keep your fucked up views off this site
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Harper, M Jane" <M.Jane.Harper at osfhealthcare.org>
> >
> > > Don't get me wrong -- I didn't say all Christians (or Jews for that
> > matter,
> > > since I are one) are fascists. I said that if/when fascism comes to
> > America it
> > > will be CLOAKED in nationalism and right-wing religious thought. And
> > since this
> > > is CLEARLY off topic, I'd be happy to discuss it further in private.
> > >
> > > Jane
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Joe Nemeth
> > > Sent: Sat 11/17/2007 7:58 AM
> > > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: (no subject)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr. Harper's off the cuff (I hope) statement plastered with negative
> > > connotation regarding anyone with the Chutzpah to admit to Christian
> > > principles is quite annoying, not only because it paints a picture
> > > with a rather large brush but also because it is starting to be a
> > > favorite American hobby...
> > >
> > > everything it seems like in the US...?world...is due to the
> > > Christian conservative right...
> > >
> > > Although I agree that there are some who use those fundamental
> > > Judeo-Christian principles to abuse and usurp authority over
> > > others...this is clearly wrong however if it weren't for those
> > > fundamental Judeo-Christian principles we as a society would be much
> > > further down the line towards anarchy then we now are...anyone not
> > > seeing this needs a lesson from the ostrich (head out of the sand)
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > McGill University
> > > Montreal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The scariest part, to me, about Mike's scenario is the vision of
> > > soup lines and burning mark notes ... we know what happened in
> > > Germany after THAT. Don't tell yourself it couldn't happen in the
> > > US. The difference is that when fascism comes to America, wrapped in
> > > the American flag and carrying a cross and a Bible, it will be armed
> > > with nukes and biological weapons. And then, earning Euros won't
> > > protect you from the raining death.
> > >
> > > ----------------------
> > > Jane Harper, PhD(c), RN, ACNP, CCNS, CCRN Trauma Advanced Practice
> > > Nurse OSF St. Anthony Medical Center Rockford, IL
> > >
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