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Mon Nov 19 20:09:11 GMT 2007

VERY well said, Ron!!!!!!!!!

Charlene

On 11/19/07, Ronald Gross <rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
>
> Charlene,
>
> I hear you.  Even though I been truly offended, in the past, by comments
> made on this site that disparaged 3 things that are very dear to me and my
> being - that is being an American, and American soldier, and a Jew - I am
> sensitive to the fact that I cannot:
> 1. forbide anyone from expressing their views, and
> 2. lower myself to a level of behavior that I would not accept from my
> kids, and that my parents never tolerated from theirs.
>
> I think that we should all remember that a lot of good red blood has been
> spilled so as to protect the First Amendment rights of all people, both here
> and abroad, and we continue to spill blood because of the intolerance of
> folks like Mr./Dr. Klein.  We need to reverse the slide.
>
> I'll shut up now.
>
> Ron
>
>
> >>> "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> 11/19/07 1:28 PM >>>
> You know, not to condone Mr/Dr. Klein's inappropriate message, I do KNOW
> from history that some people have very emotional issues concerning
> anti-Semitism and religious considerations that block our usual
> pre-frontal
> cortex filtering system.
>
> To vilify another's beliefs must really be handled gently if at all, as
> misunderstanding others results in reactions similar to this and other
> behaviors we in the US have indeed witnessed here and abroad in recent
> years.
>
> Pax--
>
> Charlene Morris, PA-C
>
>
> On 11/19/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Too bad.  He might just have learned something about proper adult
> > behavior.......
> >
> > >>> "Phil Hoffman" <phoffman at charlevoixmfg.com> 11/19/2007 12:52 PM >>>
> >
> > My fellow list members,
> >
> > Mr. Klein has been unsubscribed.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
> > On Behalf Of Forrest Robleto
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:17 PM
> > To: Trauma &, Critical Care mailing list
> > Subject: Re: (no subject)
> >
> > Profanity is the refuge of the ignorant.
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2007 12:09 PM, <even.klein at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Keep your fucked up views off this site
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "Harper, M Jane" <M.Jane.Harper at osfhealthcare.org>
> > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong -- I didn't say all Christians (or Jews for that
> > > matter,
> > > > since I are one) are fascists. I said that if/when fascism comes to
> > > America it
> > > > will be CLOAKED in nationalism and right-wing religious thought. And
> > > since this
> > > > is CLEARLY off topic, I'd be happy to discuss it further in private.
> > > >
> > > > Jane
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Joe Nemeth
> > > > Sent: Sat 11/17/2007 7:58 AM
> > > > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: (no subject)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Harper's off the cuff (I hope) statement plastered with negative
> > > > connotation regarding anyone with the Chutzpah to admit to Christian
> > > > principles is quite annoying, not only because it paints a picture
> > > > with a rather large brush but also because it is starting to be a
> > > > favorite American hobby...
> > > >
> > > > everything it seems like in the US...?world...is due to the
> > > > Christian conservative right...
> > > >
> > > > Although I agree that there are some who use those fundamental
> > > > Judeo-Christian principles to abuse and usurp authority over
> > > > others...this is clearly wrong however if it weren't for those
> > > > fundamental Judeo-Christian principles we as a society would be much
> > > > further down the line towards anarchy then we now are...anyone not
> > > > seeing this needs a lesson from the ostrich (head out of the sand)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > McGill University
> > > > Montreal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The scariest part, to me, about Mike's scenario is the vision of
> > > > soup lines and burning mark notes ... we know what happened in
> > > > Germany after THAT. Don't tell yourself it couldn't happen in the
> > > > US. The difference is that when fascism comes to America, wrapped in
> > > > the American flag and carrying a cross and a Bible, it will be armed
> > > > with nukes and biological weapons. And then, earning Euros won't
> > > > protect you from the raining death.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------
> > > > Jane Harper, PhD(c), RN, ACNP, CCNS, CCRN Trauma Advanced Practice
> > > > Nurse OSF St. Anthony Medical Center Rockford, IL
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