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Mon Nov 19 17:41:00 GMT 2007

I have to tell you that while I do not approve or agree with Ms. Harper's approach or views on this matter, I most certainly disapprove of your disgusting reply.   The ability to reply to an offensive situation without being offensive is what distinguishes us from the uncivilized.
If this is the only way that you have to respond to someone with whom you have an issue, then I would personally ask that you please do it off the list, and leave the rest of us out of your disgusting discourse. 

Thank you.

Ronald I. Gross, MD, FACS
Associate Director of Traumatology
Hartford Hospital
Chair, ACS CT Committee on Trauma
80 Seymour Street
Hartford, CT  06102
860-545-4187 Phone
860-545-2006 Fax
rgross at harthosp.org

>>> <even.klein at comcast.net> 11/19/2007 12:09 PM >>>
Keep your fucked up views off this site

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From: "Harper, M Jane" <M.Jane.Harper at osfhealthcare.org> 

> Don't get me wrong -- I didn't say all Christians (or Jews for that matter, 
> since I are one) are fascists. I said that if/when fascism comes to America it 
> will be CLOAKED in nationalism and right-wing religious thought. And since this 
> is CLEARLY off topic, I'd be happy to discuss it further in private. 
> 
> Jane 
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Joe Nemeth 
> Sent: Sat 11/17/2007 7:58 AM 
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org 
> Cc: 
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> Dr. Harper's off the cuff (I hope) statement plastered with negative 
> connotation regarding anyone with the Chutzpah to admit to Christian 
> principles is quite annoying, not only because it paints a picture with 
> a rather large brush but also because it is starting to be a favorite 
> American hobby... 
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> everything it seems like in the US...?world...is due to the Christian 
> conservative right... 
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> Although I agree that there are some who use those fundamental 
> Judeo-Christian principles to abuse and usurp authority over 
> others...this is clearly wrong however if it weren't for those 
> fundamental Judeo-Christian principles we as a society would be much 
> further down the line towards anarchy then we now are...anyone not 
> seeing this needs a lesson from the ostrich (head out of the sand) 
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> Joe 
> McGill University 
> Montreal 
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> The scariest part, to me, about Mike's scenario is the vision of soup 
> lines and burning mark notes ... we know what happened in Germany after 
> THAT. Don't tell yourself it couldn't happen in the US. The difference 
> is that when fascism comes to America, wrapped in the American flag and 
> carrying a cross and a Bible, it will be armed with nukes and biological 
> weapons. And then, earning Euros won't protect you from the raining 
> death. 
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> Jane Harper, PhD(c), RN, ACNP, CCNS, CCRN 
> Trauma Advanced Practice Nurse 
> OSF St. Anthony Medical Center 
> Rockford, IL 
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