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Tue May 1 12:45:32 BST 2007

Actually there are 2 or 3 places..   ;-)

>>> "Andrew J Bowman" <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com> 4/30/2007 4:42 PM >>>
So where in Manhattan on 42nd street will you land your helicopter?

Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com>
To: "Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help

> You cannot defend ground transport with data from Kansas at noon in the
> summer time.  I have been in Manhatten on 42nd Street stopped for 45
minutes
> next to an ambulance with lights and sirens. He was going about 0 MPH.
>
>
> On 4/30/07, Andrew J Bowman <andrewj.bowman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Of course the data looks good from Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. Those places
> > have/had unsafe or non-existent ground transport capability. Air was the
> > only way to go. The US is not the same thing when it comes to ground vs.
> > air
> > EMS transport. You cannot defend US air EMS by quoting situations in
third
> > world war zones.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bjorn, Pret" <pbjorn at emh.org>
> > To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help
> >
> >
> > The data is actually rather compelling and durable; it just doesn't come
> > out of most parts of New Jersey.  Instead, think Korea, Viet Nam, and
> > Iraq.
> >
> > For that matter, I could (if HIPAA permitted) give you the names and eye
> > colors of at least a couple of our patients each year who would be
> > decidedly more dead or disabled if not for Maine's LifeFlight program.
> > To be fair, I admit our trauma center mortality is going UP at the same
> > time -- owing to patients who would have otherwise died at the community
> > hospital, or during the truck ride (from thirty minutes to four hours)
> > to a Maine trauma center.
> >
> > Just because you live ten minutes' drive from a trauma surgeon, doesn't
> > mean everyone does.
> >
> > Pret
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org 
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of rescsteve at aol.com 
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:03 PM
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org 
> > Subject: Re: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help
> >
> > Show me the data that the use of the copter makes a difference in
> > patient outcomes.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
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