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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:03:51 -0400, rwolfer at aol.com said:
> we have had problems within the last year with IVACS in the NICU and PICU
> suddenly going to 999 in rate without numbers being changed. confirmed by
> biomed that pumps had been working fine before hand. 
> It was noted after
> cell phones being used  close by.  Therefore, they are still banned here 

How do you confirm that something was working fine before a problem?

How do you know that this was the first evidence of a problem?

Was no other activity of any kind happening at the time of these events?

Was any effort made to reproduce these events?

I suspect that there were many other activities guilty of association
with the adverse events that biomed states were not biomed's fault.

There is a problem.

There is a rule to protect patients.

There is very weak evidence to support blaming cellular phones.

There is evidence that the rule is does not work.

The decision is to continue this rule.

Were any other possible causes, aside from a record of recent
malfunction, considered?

Tim Noonan.

> Rebecca Wolfer, MD, FACS, FCCP
> Associate Professor, Marshall University School of Medicine
> Dept of Surgery
> Director Thoracic Surgery
> Director, Surgical Critical Care Cabell Huntington Hospital
> Director, Trauma Cabell Huntington Hospital
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krin135 at aol.com
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Study: No need to ban cell phones in hospitals
> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 3/11/2007 8:14:02 PM Central Daylight Time,  
> htaed_rd at 123mail.org writes:
> 
> The  hospitals are afraid of allowing anything that was once banned -
> what if  something bad did happen? Oh my!
> 
> 
> well, from an Radio Frequency Interference standpoint, there was a point
> to  
> the ban, 10 years ago, when bag phones could exceed 1 watt effective
> radiated  
> power, and many telemetry systems operated on frequencies in close
> proximity 
> to  the analog cell phone frequencies...
>  
> More of a problem was present when most telemetry systems operated on the 
> 150-160 MHz bands shared with public service hand held radio
> services...those  
> old Motorola 'bricks' could produce up to 3 watts of power, and a medic's
> or  
> peace officer's radio could hash a whole telemetry wing.
>  
> with the much reduced power of the new digital phones, and the separation
>  of 
> most of the cell phone bands from the telemetry link bands, this is no
> longer 
>  a problem.
>  
> Same with the bans on pacemaker patients from microwave ovens...while
> still  
> theoretically a risk, when was the last time you actually saw a patient
> who 
> had  a problem from microwave *oven* exposure?
>  
> ck
> Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP
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