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Wed Jul 4 20:40:24 BST 2007

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch--- "The Moon is a
Harsh Mistress" late 1950#s, early 1960's if I'm not
mistaken-- can't look it up, my copy is packed and in
shipment.

Besides being Heinlien's restatement of the laws of
thermodynamics it's the principle underlying all medicine-
anything you do has more effects than just the one you want

Dick Wigle
--- Forrest Robleto <farcpr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I read everything Heinlien wrote (even when he got to be
> a dirty old man)
> but I missed the TANSTAAFL reference.
> 
> On 7/4/07, fiona wallace <tielserrath at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hey - did you waste..er spend...your teenage years
> reading Heinlein, too?
> >
> > TANSTAAFL is right, but we think it's fairer to spread
> the load rather
> > than have people live in fear of the financial burden
> of illness. The other
> > financial stuff (Job loss, disability) is bad enough
> without a hospital bill
> > the equivalent of three or five year's wages.
> >
> > I think linking our GDP and unemployment solely to our
> nationalised health
> > system is a bit ingenuous, too. It's a hell of a lot
> more complicated than
> > that. Especially as among countries with a nationalised
> system ours is one
> > of the most comprehensive and also one of the cheapest.
> >
> > Over here it tends to be those who could afford
> insurance who make the
> > most noise about the problems with our system.
> >
> > It's a bit like when you vote, you see. You always ask
> yourself 'how will
> > the policies of each party help the very poorest, the
> ones who don't show on
> > anyone's radar?' You vote according to what will be
> best for those who have
> > the weakest voice, the ones it's easiest to ignore.
> >
> > And you arrange your health system the same way.
> >
> > Dr Fiona Wallace.
> > UK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]On Behalf Of
> William Bromberg
> > Sent: 03 July 2007 14:04
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Subject: Re: Universal Free Health Care (.......nanny
> and laundry)
> >
> >
> > No  health system is free of problems, but at least no
> one is bankrupted
> > in
> > the UK  through paying for medical treatment.
> >
> > This is not true. The drag  of the 50-60% tax necessary
> to pay for the
> > "FREE" health care causes poor economic growth leading
> to worse overall
> > conditions. For example the per capita GDP in the UK is
> $12,000 less
> > than the US (2006 number —$31,800 v. $44,000) and the
> unemployment
> > rate is higher (5.5% v. 4.8%).
> >
> > The costs of a "free" system are hidden. I understand
> the human desire
> > to get something for nothing but continue to marvel at
> the ability to
> > believe it can happen. There is no free. TANSTAAFL.
> >
> > Bill
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