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Tue Jul 3 14:52:38 BST 2007

Bottom line is that Moore is a goof with an agenda.  Granted, he is generating a lot of discussion regarding his latest "masterpiece" however in the end, we'll be able to write it off as a lop-sided take on what the real issue is.

P.S. - I live in Canada, however work in the US.  I do NOT hold a Ontario Health Card.  I see physicians in the superior Michigan Hospitals with the superiour technology and access to care.  The area I reside in is an abyss as far as health care and access goes, although the Ontario Government has made claims that it is good.  I know from personal experience that access to procedures like angioplasty/open heart in my area results in either a nice transfer to the London area (how great is that for people in my locale) or a nice trip across the water to the Metro-Detroit area.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Perhaps we need to evaluate how great Canadian Health Care (access) really is - especially in underserved areas that do not include Toronto and Montreal.  

P.S.S - I know for a fact that people die in Canadian ERs.  Just like they do in American, and English ERs.....

Kind Regards, 

B. Green

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[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]On Behalf Of Ronald Gross
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So, I would then ask, how come Moore didn't ask the last 17 trauma patients that I have seen in my last 36 hrs in the hospital that we have cared for with the best of everything, where their insurance was?  I didn't ask, Pret, Soleto, and you wouldn't - and we now know that Bromberg doesn't.  

But Moore would.  Do you think that Moore would let people in to see HIS movie for free?  Do you think he would restrict the release of his movie to only those theaters that let people in for free?  I doubt it.  Even Bjorn won't pay the $10 to see the movie in a theater -  he's gonna rent the DVD.  Probably can't afford to go to the movies 'cause he has to pay for his health insurance!

Sorry Pret, I had to poke fun at SOMEONE today - I too am in a similar every other night on call for a week mood, much like Bromberg.

I am amazed at how seriously we take ourselves sometimes.

Ron

>>> "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com> 7/3/2007 9:02 AM >>>
Moore has said and repeated several times that he would go to an american
hospital for some of the best medical care in the world.  He also said that
he can afford to do so because he has very good insurance because he  is a
member of a union.

On 7/3/07, Bjorn, Pret <pbjorn at emh.org> wrote:
>
> It is perfectly possible -- indeed, advisable -- to have an agenda
> against one's governors while supporting and exercising ownership of a
> free and representative government.  Welcome to America.  To disparage
> bias in a self-described activist filmmaker is curious, even silly,
> especially when our so-called "journalists" seem to be choosing up sides
> for the sake of power and ratings.
>
> Mr. Moore has nothing to apologize for.  He's leveraging popular culture
> in pursuit of a better society.  In that respect at least, his methods
> are fairly identical to those of, say, Rupert Murdoch.  The differences
> are mostly matters of scale and motivation.
>
> Have you seen the film?  I'm waiting for the DVD, but I haven't heard
> anything to suggest that SiCKO complains nearly as much about clinical
> quality as cost and accountability.  It would not surprise me if Michael
> Moore would choose admission to a fine Michigan hospital -- but then, he
> can afford health insurance.
>
> Forgive those of us who should probably shut up and let the corporations
> run everything.
>
> Pret
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org 
> [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Anthony caruso
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:41 PM
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org 
> Subject: Re: Universal Free Health Care (.......nanny and laundry)
>
> Ron, I have to say WELL SAID.  Michael Moore has had some sort of agenda
>
> against this government.  Unbiased?  Hardly!  It's Funny, if Michael
> Moore
> had some sort of medical issue, where do you think he would go?  My 1st
> guess is an American hospital.
> Just my 2 cents!
>
> Anthony Caruso. NREMT-P
>
>
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