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Mon Jul 2 20:21:22 BST 2007

That's no good.  They're no better than us.

If you saw the movie you would know that he praised the medical profession
and vilified the insurance companies.

During the dot com era when insurance companies where making money faster
than they could spend it they gave away malpractice insurance practically
for free.  Lawsuits didn't increase. The market went down and the insurance
companies raised thier rates.

How can a company that takes as much money as they can from the middle,
claim to be a friend of the doctors or the patients.

Insurance companies are some of the most regulated companies in the world.
If you want to make money in that kind of business you need to work around
the regulations or get into bed with the regulators.  Then you have the
doctors blame the lawyers (and there are some that deserve the blame) and
the lawyers blame the doctors (and there are some that deserve blame).

Then insurance companies tell the doctors how much they can charge and the
patients how much coverage they can have.

I'm in earnest about where you practice, I'm sure that the care is the best
in the world.  Not that the insurance companies care.

On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
>
> Try Slovenia.
>
> >>> "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com> 7/2/2007 2:31 PM >>>
> Thanks for your anecdotal information about your patients.  When I move
> next
> I will certainly consider moving to the place where the population gets
> killed by trauma when they're older.  Where would that be?
>
> On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that information about our ranking above Slovenia.  Next time
> I
> > consider moving, I will base my decision on the entirely unbiased World
> > Health ranking provided in SICKO by the entirely unbiased Michael
> Moore.  I
> > would bet that the only person less biased that Mr. Moore just might be
> > me......Hmmmmmmmmm!
> >
> > As for the "we die younger" bit....WOW!  I guess I have been caring for
> an
> > entirely different population than the rest of the US.  Yes, trauma
> kills
> > more people under the age of 40 than any other disease, but I could have
> > sworn that I am seeing more elderly trauma patients than I have ever
> seen
> > before.  I guess no one ever told them they were supposed to die a long
> time
> > ago.........and I don't think I will be the one to give them that news.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > >>> "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com> 7/2/2007 2:11 PM >>>
> > In SICKO they showed the World Health ranking of each country.  We were
> > just
> > above Slovenia.
> >
> > Your hospital may have never turned anyone away but many die in this
> > country
> > without being seen.  Many who have insurance don't get the treatment
> thier
> > doctors said they need.
> >
> > We die younger.
> >
> > But we're better than Slovenia.
> >
> >
> > On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > You have lost me.  Please elaborate.
> > >
> > > >>> "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com> 7/2/2007 2:05 PM >>>
> > > Just above Slovenia?
> > >
> > > On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nurse Khalsa,
> > > >
> > > > Broken, maybe.  Best around?  My very biased opinion says yes.
> > > > In spite of the fact that I still have cared for patients that have
> > died
> > > > in my ED.  And in my OR.  And even on the patient care floors of my
> > > > hospital.  As I see it, they didn't come here 'cause they were the
> > most
> > > > healthy people in our society.
> > > >
> > > > There is one thing that has NEVER happened in my hospital - patients
> > > have
> > > > NEVER been denied care.
> > > >
> > > > Nuff said.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > PS - I have to ask this, and I do not do so out of malice, but out
> of
> > > > curiosity......if your are so very happy with the Canadian medical
> > > system,
> > > > why do you obtain your medical care in the US?
> > > >
> > > > >>> "Rebecca Tucker" <rjtucker at peoplepc.com> 7/2/2007 1:02 PM >>>
> > > > Dear Nurse Khalsa,
> > > >
> > > > My experience in Kalispell, Montana doesn't match your optimistic
> > > outlook
> > > > on Canadian Healthcare. I cared for hundreds of Canadians who
> > expressed
> > > > their great dissatisfaction with the national healthcare and were
> > > > desperately seeking care across our borders in the U.S. They paid
> > cash,
> > > > too! As a nurse educator, I can also say that I have had close
> contact
> > > with
> > > > many, many Canadian nurses who literally have come in droves for
> what
> > > they
> > > > personally stated:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Better working conditions,
> > > > 2. Professional respect, and
> > > > 3. Better pay.
> > > >
> > > > I will agree with you, however, that "the system here is very
> broken."
> > > > Rebecca
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: domalla premee
> > > > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:02 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Universal Free Health Care (.......nanny and laundry)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My mother lives in Canada and receives excellent care for her
> complex
> > > > medical problems. So what she does not have a hoveround. However,
> she
> > > now
> > > > lives in a wonderful bright and modern nursing home that is mostly
> > paid
> > > by
> > > > Canada Pension. Yes I am (gasp) Canadian and have lived in the U.S.
> > > since
> > > > 1983. Every system has its unique set of problems and none is
> perfect
> > > > however I find it appalling that so many in this country do not have
> > > access
> > > > to quality health care. This section of the population is swelling
> > > yearly.
> > > > This is unconscionable and unacceptable to me. Is it acceptable to
> any
> > > of
> > > > you?
> > > >
> > > > I have not seen Sicko and I don't need to. Whenever I go home as I
> > often
> > > > do I am sorry to say the system here is very broken.
> > > >
> > > > No one is denied health care there, no one is dumped to another
> > hospital
> > > > or allowed to die in an ER.
> > > >
> > > > J K Khalsa RN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Forrest Robleto
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FRobleto at RhouseTraining.com
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