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Thanks for your anecdotal information about your patients.  When I move next
I will certainly consider moving to the place where the population gets
killed by trauma when they're older.  Where would that be?

On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that information about our ranking above Slovenia.  Next time I
> consider moving, I will base my decision on the entirely unbiased World
> Health ranking provided in SICKO by the entirely unbiased Michael Moore.  I
> would bet that the only person less biased that Mr. Moore just might be
> me......Hmmmmmmmmm!
>
> As for the "we die younger" bit....WOW!  I guess I have been caring for an
> entirely different population than the rest of the US.  Yes, trauma kills
> more people under the age of 40 than any other disease, but I could have
> sworn that I am seeing more elderly trauma patients than I have ever seen
> before.  I guess no one ever told them they were supposed to die a long time
> ago.........and I don't think I will be the one to give them that news.
>
> Ron
>
> >>> "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com> 7/2/2007 2:11 PM >>>
> In SICKO they showed the World Health ranking of each country.  We were
> just
> above Slovenia.
>
> Your hospital may have never turned anyone away but many die in this
> country
> without being seen.  Many who have insurance don't get the treatment thier
> doctors said they need.
>
> We die younger.
>
> But we're better than Slovenia.
>
>
> On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> >
> > You have lost me.  Please elaborate.
> >
> > >>> "Forrest Robleto" <farcpr at gmail.com> 7/2/2007 2:05 PM >>>
> > Just above Slovenia?
> >
> > On 7/2/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Nurse Khalsa,
> > >
> > > Broken, maybe.  Best around?  My very biased opinion says yes.
> > > In spite of the fact that I still have cared for patients that have
> died
> > > in my ED.  And in my OR.  And even on the patient care floors of my
> > > hospital.  As I see it, they didn't come here 'cause they were the
> most
> > > healthy people in our society.
> > >
> > > There is one thing that has NEVER happened in my hospital - patients
> > have
> > > NEVER been denied care.
> > >
> > > Nuff said.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > PS - I have to ask this, and I do not do so out of malice, but out of
> > > curiosity......if your are so very happy with the Canadian medical
> > system,
> > > why do you obtain your medical care in the US?
> > >
> > > >>> "Rebecca Tucker" <rjtucker at peoplepc.com> 7/2/2007 1:02 PM >>>
> > > Dear Nurse Khalsa,
> > >
> > > My experience in Kalispell, Montana doesn't match your optimistic
> > outlook
> > > on Canadian Healthcare. I cared for hundreds of Canadians who
> expressed
> > > their great dissatisfaction with the national healthcare and were
> > > desperately seeking care across our borders in the U.S. They paid
> cash,
> > > too! As a nurse educator, I can also say that I have had close contact
> > with
> > > many, many Canadian nurses who literally have come in droves for what
> > they
> > > personally stated:
> > >
> > > 1. Better working conditions,
> > > 2. Professional respect, and
> > > 3. Better pay.
> > >
> > > I will agree with you, however, that "the system here is very broken."
> > > Rebecca
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: domalla premee
> > > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:02 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Universal Free Health Care (.......nanny and laundry)
> > >
> > >
> > > My mother lives in Canada and receives excellent care for her complex
> > > medical problems. So what she does not have a hoveround. However, she
> > now
> > > lives in a wonderful bright and modern nursing home that is mostly
> paid
> > by
> > > Canada Pension. Yes I am (gasp) Canadian and have lived in the U.S.
> > since
> > > 1983. Every system has its unique set of problems and none is perfect
> > > however I find it appalling that so many in this country do not have
> > access
> > > to quality health care. This section of the population is swelling
> > yearly.
> > > This is unconscionable and unacceptable to me. Is it acceptable to any
> > of
> > > you?
> > >
> > > I have not seen Sicko and I don't need to. Whenever I go home as I
> often
> > > do I am sorry to say the system here is very broken.
> > >
> > > No one is denied health care there, no one is dumped to another
> hospital
> > > or allowed to die in an ER.
> > >
> > > J K Khalsa RN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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