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Does anybody know anything about Paramedicine.com?  I tried to go to the site, but it wouldnt allow me to get past the homepage where it asks for your ID and password.  No where to sign up.  If anyone can help me out, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Nathan Springer
Firefighter/Critcal Care Paramedic
Decatur, Alabama 

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   1. Re: Terry Valentino PLEASE!!! (Maureen Canavan)
   2. RE: death after traumatic asphyxia (Ryl Dtch)
   3. Re: BIG MISTAKE TERRY (krin135 at aol.com)
   4. administrative list management issues & contact info (Sue)
   5. RE: ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax? (David Villarreal)
   6. Emergency Medicine Evaluation of SPAM (was Re: BIG MISTAKE
      TERRY) (Howard Berkowitz)
   7. unsubscribe (Mick)
   8. Re: small bowel injury (lisa dresner)
   9. RE: small bowel injury (Roy Danks)

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Subject:Re: Terry Valentino PLEASE!!!
Date:Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:21 AM

I blocked him it finally stopped

Jillian Thomas <jpt at powerup.com.au> wrote:  Don't tell me we need to wait until 
22nd Jan for Terry Valentino to return to his office to stop his auto-responder!
Jill Thomas
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Sent: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: BIG MISTAKE TERRY

Sorry, I was away from the computer until now. 

I have shut him off.  
Sue 

I'm surprised that his corporate system didn't shut him down long ago...that 
many auto replies (well over 500 in just over 24 hours) should have triggered 
either their SPAM or their Virus defenses...

ck
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Subject:RE: ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax?
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Is interesting that question, I mean "why bad things happen to good people?"
  How do we define good or bad?
  Who is good and who is bad?
  Why don't ask "why good things happen to bad people?"
  According to the orthodox Christian view we all are bad. An the God of  the 
Bible in JesusChrist came to save sinners...meaning bad people.

Jeffrey Hammond <hammond at umdnj.edu> escribió:  Not to mention Buddhists, Hindus, 
Shintos....etc.

But is this thread appropriate for a critical care listserve? Is the next
debate going to be "If God is responsible for every good thing, then why do
bad things happen to good people?". 

We all cope with finding meaning in life our own ways. Can we leave it at
that? 

Jeffrey Hammond MD, MPH
Chief, Trauma/Surgical Critical Care
Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
New Brunswick, NJ
ph: 732-235-7920
e-mail: hammond at umdnj.edu

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On Behalf Of Ronald Gross
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:19 PM
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Subject: RE: ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax?

Reuben,

God forgive me for what I am about to say, but you opened this door, not
I........... 

It appears that it would be your ignorance that has lead YOU to ignore
Pret's message when he said "may we all be happier and healthier and kinder
to one another".  Somehow, the manner in which you reference Pret's "BS
philosophys" hardly speaks to kindness, let alone tolerance and
understanding, nor does it allow for the credibility of any view but yours.

And while on the subject of tolerance, how about your quote: "There is a
higher power and His name is God. To us was born His Son, Jesus Christ who
shed His blood for our sins (sins such as the ignorance displayed in the
'ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax? coversation'). Regardless of the fact
that you're ignornance refuses to acknowledge His presence, every good thing
that happens in this world is because He allows it".  

Where, in your way of thinking, is there any room for the Jews and Muslims
of this world who most certainly do not share your views as to the
organization or practice religion?  Hmmmmm.................

Ron

>>> "Reuben Driedger"  1/8/2007 4:17 PM
>>>

I would like to comment on this conversation about higher powers and
religion, specifically comments made by a Pret Bjorn. You know its this
modern worlds ignorance and selfishness that is leading to its demise.
There is a higher power and His name is God. To us was born His Son, Jesus
Christ who shed His blood for our sins (sins such as the ignorance displayed
in the 'ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax? coversation').
Regardless of the fact that you're ignornance refuses to acknowledge His
presence, every good thing that happens in this world is because He allows
it. So please keep your BS philosophys to yourself. We need to not only
accept God's power in our lives but also enforce it in others lives. Without
God's moral laws implemented into our brains and our nations, we would not
have a justice system in this world. Where do you think laws against crimes
come from? A rock? Haha, LOL. Lets use our brains, that we recieved from
God. 

I wish everyone a happy new year and God's many Blessings!!
Reuben

From:   "Bjorn, Pret" 

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To:   "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list"

Subject:    

Date:   Wed 01/03/07 04:01 AM 

Always a stimulating read, Charles.  Welcome to the Philosophy-List.  

Not that I disagree very much; except that mankind's eagerness to interpret
(much less enforce) any higher power's intentions strikes me more as pure
arrogance -- and an original sin if ever there was one.

Nor am I certain, for that matter, that religion is any prerequisite for the
determination of what is good or evil.  Quite the contrary: I think it is
the regrettable nature of organized religion to leverage ethics and morality
for its own purposes.  See paragraph #1.

Here's wishing that 2007 finds humanity seeking redemption through reason.
And while we're at it, may we all be happier and healthier and kinder to one
another.  Seems to me that we leave too much of the blessing to our gods,
and take too little responsibility for it ourselves.

I'm always grateful for the friends and advice I find here on the
Trauma-List.  Happy New Year to all.

Pret Bjorn, RN
Bangor, ME USA

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   2. RE: cooling down the heat stroke victim (oded private)
   3. RE: ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax? (Bjorn, Pret)
   4. RE: Relaxing (Bjorn, Pret)
   5. RE: ccml Does Evil Exist / Hmmmm...hoax? (last non traumatic
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   7. NYG induced SVT (David Sullivan)

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From:hcberkowitz at hotmail.com
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Subject:Emergency Medicine Evaluation of SPAM (was Re: BIG MISTAKE TERRY)
Date:

> 
> 
>I'm surprised that his corporate system didn't shut him down long >ago...that many auto replies (well over 500 in just over 24 hours) should >have triggered either their SPAM or their Virus defenses... 
> 
>ck 
>Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP 
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Perhaps there is a teaching study here. At first, I thought the sender had a GCS of 3, but on due reflection, these were clearly inappropriate words, raising the score to 5. Could it be said avoiding loop filters is withdrawal from painful stimuli, justifying an even higher GCS? 

Is this volume of SPAM release more a hemorrhagic or gastrointestinal emergency? Again, initial thoughts only, but field expedient cholera treatment seems most symbolically appropriate. 

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Subject:Re: small bowel injury
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one dose preop. none postop- i dont think there is a standard of care in patients who are in shock postop though. 

leave skin open 

lisa d 
suny downstate 

On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Roy Danks wrote: 

> small bowel? one dose. Colon: 24 hrs. I just don't know why, > with the relative paucity of bacteria in the small bowel why more > than one dose would be needed. If I do an elective small bowel > resection for X disease, I don't give them any more than the > induction antibiotic dose...I guess if you're worried about what > went into the belly with the bullet, that's something else, but > can't remember the last time I saw a staph infection of the belly > after a relatively uncomplicated GSW. 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:36:10 -0500> From: jkepros at pol.net> To: >> trauma-list at trauma.org> Subject: Re: small bowel injury> > The >> EAST guidelines (www.east.org) have a pretty clear recommendation >> of> 24h for that. I believe you are correct.> John Kepros MD> >> Michigan State University> > > Dear List,> > I was wondering if >> you could help settle a friendly discussion I> > have with one of >> my partners...how long to keep antibiotics going> > after small >> bowel injury? I say no more than 24hr. case in point> > 40 you s/p >> gsw abdomen, small bowel resection primary anastomosis.> > Any >> literature support would be helpful. Thanks Joe> >> >> > >> ---------------------------------> > Everyone is raving about the >> all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.> > --> > trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG> > To >> change your settings or unsubscribe visit:> > http://>> www.trauma.org/traumalist.html> > > > --> trauma-list : >> TRAUMA.ORG> To change your settings or unsubscribe visit:> http://>> www.trauma.org/traumalist.html 
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Subject:RE: small bowel injury
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skin open for small bowel?  nah.  Don't believe there is any literature 
addressing that.  Colon?  Definately.  Moore in Denver looked at that: very 
beneficial to do delayed skin closure.

RD

> From: ldresner at gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:51:49 -0500> To: 
trauma-list at trauma.org> Subject: Re: small bowel injury> > one dose preop. none 
postop- i dont think there is a standard of > care in patients who are in shock 
postop though.> > leave skin open> > lisa d> suny downstate> > On Jan 11, 2007, 
at 10:09 PM, Roy Danks wrote:> > > small bowel? one dose. Colon: 24 hrs. I just 
don't know why, > > with the relative paucity of bacteria in the small bowel why 
more > > than one dose would be needed. If I do an elective small bowel > > 
resection for X disease, I don't give them any more than the > > induction 
antibiotic dose...I guess if you're worried about what > > went into the belly 
with the bullet, that's something else, but > > can't remember the last time I 
saw a staph infection of the belly > > after a relatively uncomplicated GSW.> >> 
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:36:10 -0500> From: jkepros at pol.net> To: > >> 
trauma-list at trauma.org> Subject: Re: small bowel injury> > The > >> EAST 
guidelines (www.east.org) have a pretty clear recommendation > >> of> 24h for 
that. I believe you are correct.> John Kepros MD> > >> Michigan State 
University> > > Dear List,> > I was wondering if > >> you could help settle a 
friendly discussion I> > have with one of > >> my partners...how long to keep 
antibiotics going> > after small > >> bowel injury? I say no more than 24hr. 
case in point> > 40 you s/p > >> gsw abdomen, small bowel resection primary 
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