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I'm talking about people without prior training and minority of those who do 
have training

sorry about the late response

>From: "John Boel" <jboel at ozemail.com.au>
>Reply-To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list" 
><trauma-list at trauma.org>
>To: "'Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list'" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
>Subject: RE: cooling down the heat stroke victim
>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:56:49 +1100
>
>How do you define laypersons? In my paid capacity in a Medical Centre,
>as well as in two volunteer capacities that I am involved in, heat
>related injuries feature strongly in protocols and training. Are you
>talking about those who have had no first aid training? Or is your
>comment directed to your own specific military environment?
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of oded private
>Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:35 PM
>To: trauma-list at trauma.org
>Subject: RE: cooling down the heat stroke victim
>
>
>Most EMS personnel would recognize and treat a heat stroke agressively.
>Few
>wouldn't. But with lay persons it's quite diffrent- too many of them
>don't
>understand the meaning of heat stroke. Most frightning to me is that
>teachers are among them. Luckily, there is a medic in every field trip
>
> >From: John Annen <rjannen at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: "Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list"
> ><trauma-list at trauma.org>
> >To: "Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> >Subject: RE: cooling down the heat stroke victim
> >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 05:29:36 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >In the EMS classes that I have taken going back to the basic EMT class
> >that I took in the US State of North Carolina in the mid 80's, it was
> >always stressed that heat stroke is a true emergency requiring
> >immediate attention.
> >
> >Do you have any evidence to back up your statement about EMTs learning
> >about heat stroke from the movies? I would hope that trained rescuers
> >everywhere rely on their training and field experience, rather than on
> >depictions in films for determining their treatment.
> >
> >In the places that I have been active in prehospital care, heat stroke
> >is or was extremely rare, whereas heat exhaustion is something that one
> >sees a lot of, both among the public and among one's colleages. I have
> >suffered mild heat exhaustion a few times myself working strenuous
> >rescues or outside events on hot days. In the places I have been, there
> >has almost always been good access to shade, air conditioned vehicles
> >or buildings and plenty of liquids to drink, so early intervention in
> >cases of heat exhaustion, thus preventing their advancement to heat
> >stoke, is straightforward.
> >
> >As with other conditions that one doesn't see very often, perhaps in
> >places where heat stroke is rare, the problem is one of recognition
> >rather than one of training, if, indeed, there is a problem at all?
> >
> >Best wishes to all for very happy holidays.
> >
> >John Annen
> >Zurich, Switzerland
> >
> >--- oded private <tangentcarrot at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > BTW
> > >
> > > It's amazing how virtullay everybody outside the medical world (such
> > > as lay
> > > persons) and many inside it (such as EMTS') don't understand that
> > > heat
> > > stroke is a true medical emergency. I think that holywood, with its
> > > reknown
> > > scene you see in every third movie of someone lost in desert,
> > > starting to
> > > get delrious then crashes, later to be "saved" with a few drops of
> > > water,
> > > has much to do with it.
> > >
> >
> >
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