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Thu Apr 19 13:49:58 BST 2007

Ron,
I think you've hit the nail on the head!  That was basically where I was
headed with my question about other factors.  First, let me say, I'm not a
gun nut.  I own two shotguns and no shells.  They were my dad's and they sit
in my closet.  I like to shoot, when dad was alive we went to the range and
shot pistols a lot.  I'd probably buy a pistol for target shooting now if I
had disposable income.  But, I also don't think there's any legitimate
sporting need to own a machine gun.  Having said all that...gun control laws
are a stopgap at best.  They are like most bureaucratic regulations, they
make us feel like we're addressing the problem without having to actually do
anything hard.  It's easier to ban guns than it is to change the attitudes
of society to treat others with respect and dignity and think of others
(drive down the road and it's obvious by the way people change lanes without
looking or signaling that they are the only person that matters).  I used to
work in a hospital where the nurses had to wear color-coded scrubs (green
for RNs, blue for techs etc).  There was one nurse who would frequently wear
the wrong color scrubs and would get in trouble for it.  Meanwhile, there
were several nurses that were horrible nurses.  Never helped others out,
only did the minimal effort.  The dress-code-violator was one of the best
nurses I've ever worked with.  Yet, she was always in trouble because of the
wrong color scrubs. It was easier for the management to regulate the color
of scrubs than it was to get several lazy nurses to do the right thing.
Same issue here.  I'm not against gun control per se, but the big problem I
see with it is that people seem to see it as the ultimate solution.

Bryan

On 4/19/07, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
>
> How about the concept of a permissive society, where parents refuse to
> discipline their kids.
>
> Where teachers are not allowed to enforce discipline in the classroom,
> even though they are the sole adult figure in the lives of many of the kids.
>
> Where violence is rampant on TV, news and movies, and the "rating system"
> is either ignored or considered to be merely an inconvenience to the parents
> who just want to dump the kids of so that there can be 2 hours of peace in
> the house.
>
> Where parents allow kids that are under age to drink in their houses
> because "they are gonna do it anyway, and I would rather have them do it in
> MY house", and then can't imagine why the kids are dying in alcohol-crashes.
>
> Where there are laws against child abuse but not against spousal or senior
> abuse.
>
> Where the criminal justice system has more stopgaps and rights given to
> the accused that there are available to the victims.
>
> Where there are celebrations in the streets when an individual who has
> multiple arrests for DUI actually gets punished.
>
> Where the legal system perverts the law just to get their clients off
> 'cause it's their job, and of course everyone is innocent till proven
> guilty.  Even if they know the client is guilty solely based on the evidence
> that was incorrectly collected
>
> I could go on and on, but I think I will leave that to others on the
> list.  And how about a society that allows the concept, no, that fosters the
> "it's all about me" attitude.
>
> Charles said it well yesterday - perhaps we should all understand that
> everyone wants to be treated nicely at least most of the time.  Hell, why
> not ALL of the time.
>
> OK - so I better shut up now.  It was a tough night in the ED last
> night....
>
> Y'all be well,
> Ron
>
> >>> "Bryan Boling" <bryanboling at gmail.com> 4/19/2007 8:15 AM >>>
> Not to beat a dead horse, but it's my understanding that the UK has tough
> gun control laws and very low gun violence (I don't know if this
> translates
> to low violence in general or if people just find different weapons...).
> Meanwhile, Washington DC has some of the toughest gun control laws in the
> US
> and some of the HIGHEST rates of gun violence.  If this is all true (and
> please correct me if it's not), it seems to me that there is some other
> factor (or factors) in play here besides gun control....
>
> bryan
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