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Wed Apr 18 15:14:47 BST 2007

Okay: I propose that if you want to exercise your right to discuss
pointless nonsense on the List, you should AT LEAST properly identify it
as such in the subject line of your missive.  If you identify it as "Gun
Control," then I can probably figure out how to get my Junk Mail folder
to sop it up.

But while we're at it: wasn't it the Commonwealth of Virginia which only
last year proposed the criminalization of doctors discussing gun
ownership with their patients?  Consider: if the VTech shooter had been
properly referred for psychiatric help, his doctor might have been
convicted for preventing the massacre.  

... and I'm supposed to understand how the same guys who want to
secretly review my library records and listen to my phone calls would
vigorously defend a depressed kid's immediate and unrestricted right to
carry a lightweight high caliber large-magazine concealable plastic
weapon.

We are all doomed.  Maybe I DO need a gun.

Pret

-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Forrest Robleto
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:29 AM
To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
Subject: Re: Root Causes

We do ban alcohol while driving.  Far fewer people are killed every year
because we do.  Deaths on the highway are down from about fifty thousand
per
year to about thirty thousand per year.  It's been pretty effective.

On 4/18/07, Hall, John R <John_R_Hall at wellmont.org> wrote:
>
> Geez,
> I guess we should also ban alcohol.  I took care of a bus of 20 people
a
> while back who were killed and injured by one 34 year old drunk in an
SUV.
> Get great "gun-control" letters, but EtOH kills more and of course it
is "an
> accident"
> j
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org on behalf of Robert F. Smith
> Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 5:15 AM
> To: 'Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list'
> Subject: RE: Root Causes
>
>
>
> We just need to get a higher percentage of the US population able to
read
> a
> single sentence that contains some commas. If individuals only owned
guns
> in
> order to maintain a well regulated Militia, we'd be all set.
>
> R. Smith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
> On Behalf Of MSD
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: Re: Root Causes
>
> United States Bill of Rights
> "ARTICLE THE FOURTH
> [Amendment II]
>    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
free
> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> infringed"
>
>    Until the American People modify this article there is nothing as
> foriners we can comment. It is their Constitution and is their Right
v&
> duty
>
> to follow their Constitution. Let it be.
>
>     Regards
>    Manuel Sotelo
>
>    Dear Ken
>
>    Sorry but I did try to restrain myself from commenting.
>
>    While I agree that there is  need for more mental health facilities
>    worldwide, I doubt if it would have helped the disturbed young man
in
>    Virginia ( according to reports here he was a loner and wrote
worrying
> plays
>    in creative writing classes about killing fellow students and a
> professor).
>
>    Anyway, the point is that he was able to purchase 2 semi-automatic
hand
> guns
>    and kill 32 young people whatever the state of his mind.
>
>    USA has 4% of the world's population and 50% of the firearms-
surely
> injury
>    prevention measures ( and common sense)  should be applied as in
any
> other
>    trauma situation.
>
>    As I said previously when we had a similar incident here in
Australia
> with
>    35 killed in Tasmania over 10 years ago, our Prime Minister to his
> credit
>    changed the gun laws overnight with the cooperation of our States
> making
>
> it
>    much more difficult to buy guns and virtually impossible to buy an
> handgun
>    as a private citizen.
>
>    If this group can't change the culture and the constitution in your
> country,
>    who can?
>
>    Regards
>    Tony Joseph
>    Sydney
>
>
>
>    On 18/4/07 6:48 AM, "KMATTOX at aol.com" <KMATTOX at aol.com> wrote:
>
>    > Although I should use my allocated bandwidth time to talk about
> trauma
>
> and
>    > to compliment those who have done a good job in Virginia's trauma
> response, I
>    > want to talk about a totally different subject which has consumed
> increasingly
>    >  more and more of my administrative time.
>    >
>    > The subject is Mental & Behavoral Health.
>    >
>    > Since the closure of state mental health and psychiatric
hospitals,
> there
>    > has been an increasing effort to push the responsibility for
> identification
>    > and
>    > treatment more to the local level.  That is perhaps as it should
be,
> but
>    > funding has been sparse to negligible.   Hardly a family, and
many of
> our
>    > colleagues are affected by depression, and other mental health
> diagnoses.
>    > Treatment is sporadic and expensive.
>    >
>    > Add a mental health problem as a co morbid factor to diabetes,
heart
> attack,
>    > pneumonia, trauma, etc, and we have a really big  problem.
>    >
>    > Houston is the 4th largest city in the US.   It has a fast growth
> rate.
>    > In 2000, 3000 inpatient psychiatry beds  existed.   In 2007 there
are
> 700,
>    > despite an almost doubling of the  population in those 7 years.
One
> public
>    > psychiatric hospital (HCPC)  has more than 300 built beds, but
less
> than 90
>    > are
>    > staffed and there are no iv  fluids, no syringes, no IM
medications
> in
>
> this
>    > hospital.  ANY , ANY co  morbid condition results in an attempted
> transfer out
>    > instantaneously to BTGH  were there is tight overcrowding of
mental
> health
>    > conditions.   Up to  37% of the admissions to medicine and
surgery,
> including
>    > trauma,
>    > have a mental  health component.
>    >
>    > We have 20 in hospital mental health beds, 12 Emergency Center
closed
> beds,
>    > and up to 12 close observation sites in the emergency center
proper.
> We
>    > have at any time more than 20-40 inpatients on the surgery or
medical
> wards
>    > who
>    > have both medical and mental health problems, often the mental
health
>    > problems are severe.      If we tripled the number of
in-hospital
> mental
>    > health
>    > beds, they would be filled in 12  hours.
>    >
>    > Now back to the subject that prompted this post.   I suspect
that
> much of
>    > the violence, wild use of firearms, and other human/social
outbursts
> may have
>    > a
>    > mental health overtone, an untreated or undertreated  condition.
>    >
>    > Finally:
>    >
>    > IF THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS IN HOUSTON, IN TEXAS, IN THE UNITED
> STATES
>
> IS
>    > NOT ADDRESSED SYSTEMATICALLY, MORE HUMAN OUTBURSTS ARE GOING TO
> HAPPEN.   IN
>    > MY
>    > VIEW WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY HAS  AS ONE
ROOT
> CAUSE,
>    > OUR BROKEN MENTAL HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE.
>    >
>    > Kenneth L. Mattox, MD
>    > Houston
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com/> .
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