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"Twisted brilliance" is a rather warped way of descibing murder of hundreds
of innocent people. I don't justify it anywhere in the world,innocent
Palestinians, Afghanistans, Americans etc etc. 
Your opinion on K.Mattox is also warped, distorted and not "evidenced
based". What experience can you accredit yourself with? But I think we are
diverging too much from what our Trauma mailing list is about.
Peter

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
Per conto di Ronald Gross
Inviato: martedì 17 ottobre 2006 18.52
A: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
Oggetto: Re: ccml Relatives in the OR (Theater to some)

To all,
Sorry for the rotten typing and all of the typos!
Ron

>>> "Ronald Gross" <Rgross at harthosp.org> 10/17/2006 12:32 PM >>>
Dear J.A. Terranson,

I will be brief:

1.  It should be painfully evident by the tone, tenor and passion
exhibited by Dr. Mattox in all of his posts and in all of his
activities
that the LAT thing you could accuse him of is of being an uncaring
surgeon.
2.  That you have the audacity to perpetuate that quote from Richard
Corliss in Time in what might appear to be an attempt to either
justify
or condone the actions of those who see the hijackers of the 9/11
airplanes as heros speaks to your inability to understand where Mattox
-
and others like him - are coming from.

Twisted brilliance has no room on the fact of the earth when it
condones and permits acts of savagery that are based on a religious
statement "as they saw it".  And when it is my relative lying on that
ED
stretcher, I don't care if the man or woman caring for my relative
appears to be caring in my eyes; all I care about is that the
individual
caring for my loved one appears - to that patient in his/her eyes -
care
more about the patient than anyone else in or out of that room, 'cause
regardless of your bravado about preferring uncertain death vs certain
life, I am not certain that when push comes to shove you wuold be able
to back your words with your actions and your choice of "provider".

I wish you well in your quest to better understand people, regardless
of how human they may appear,
Ron

>>> "J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org> 10/16/2006 9:13 PM >>>

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 KMATTOX at aol.com wrote:

>> In a message dated 10/15/2006 11:39:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> aneurysm_42 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Surely  such a larger-than-life man with the
>> accompanying nerves of icy steel  requisite to meet the
>> standards you have set can't be so easily undone  by
>> the screams of a grief-wrought family  member.
>>
>>
>>

> Does not happen, because they are not there.   My comments were  to
describe
> a composite "me or us" to represent all members of the surgical 
team, whether
> they be in the operating room or site in the EC, formal operating 
rooms,
> SICU, or cath lab.

Perhaps more exposure to the non-patient population is called for?

As much as we all admire your [ever often] stated hyper human
abilities, I
don't know that I'd prefer guaranteed life in the hands of an uncaring
surgeon such as yourself over uncertain death in the hands of someone
a
little less perfect (but a whole lot more human) than you profess to
aspire.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org 
0xBD4A95BF

"Surely the larger lesson learned from that day is that other men, all
over the world, took inspiration not from the heroism of the rescuers
in
New York or the passengers flying over Pennsylvania, but from the 19
hijackers - the twisted brilliance of their scheme and their
willingness
to sacrifice their lives to make a political and, as they saw it,
religious statement."

Richard Corliss/Time Magazine
11 Aug 2006
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