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Tue Oct 10 13:39:53 BST 2006

As I said in an earlier post (which I just wrote - I am at the COT meeting in Chicago and haven't read e-mails for a couple of days....), PAs CAN take ATLS and be certified if they are the sole provider of medical care in a region.
Ron

>>> "Jane Harper" <jharper at woh.rr.com> 10/8/2006 8:02 PM >>>
I saw something on the ACS website about certain ATLS courses being approved
for PA's and NP's -- anybody know what the *#&$ that means?

Calamity Jane

Jane Harper, MS, RN, CCNS, ACNP
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"The trained nurse is one of the greatest blessings of humanity, taking a
place beside the physician and the priest, and not inferior to either in her
mission."  -- Sir William Osler, MD 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-
> bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Charlene M Morris
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 06:43
> To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: ATLS for non-docs..
> 
> Of interest, I took BTLS, as I received credit and was allowed CME. As a
> PA,
> ATLS is NOT a course for which I can certify, thus-- why wasted my time
> and
> money?!
> 
> I can learn from any number of courses and benefit from all, but if the
> politics dictate ATLS is *special* for docs only, I cannot reasonably
> participate. Auditing just doesn't make it, to my mind
> 
> C M Morris
> 
> 
> On 10/8/06, Ian Civil <icivil at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > The way to have all consultants ATLS positive is to make it a
> requirement
> > for trainees in all specialties as it is in Australia and NZ.
> >
> > The challenge is to ensure those involved in trauma care remain current
> in
> > their knowledge and practice which is no less problematic down-under
> than
> > anywhere else in the world
> >
> > Ian Civil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] 
> > On Behalf Of "Hansen, Kari Schrøder"
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
> > To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
> > Subject: SV: ATLS for consultants...
> >
> > I sure would like every consultant to have the ATLS course, but I don't
> > believe it's possible to convince them to attend a 2.5 day course with
> an
> > exam...
> >
> > I have another solution: make them attend your local training in the ER
> > room. I suppose you have such training regularly........?
> > If not, I can suggest the concepts of the BEST-course (Better &
> Systematic
> > Trauma Care): http://www.bestnet.no/english/.
> > BEST is a one-day course held locally in your resuscitation room. It is
> > based on CRM-principles to make your trauma team work as a team.
> > It is easier to ask the consultants to participate in this course
> compared
> > to ATLS. The course will give them:
> > -       A basic understanding of the ABCDE
> > -       A basic understanding on how the trauma team work in the ER
> > -       Knowledge and practice on how to work in a team
> > -       Understanding of why the senior doctor is not the leader
> > -       +++
> >
> > It is easy, fun and cheap!
> >
> > Kari Schrøder Hansen
> > Deptartment of Surgery
> > Bergen, Norway
> >
> >
> > (If you want more information on how to introduce the course at your
> > hospital, I will be glad to help.)
> >
> >
> > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > Fra: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-
> bounces at trauma.org 
> > ]
> > På vegne av Ronald Gross
> > Sendt: 6. oktober 2006 18:20
> > Til: trauma-list at trauma.org 
> > Emne: Re: ATLS for consultants...
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > We require that ortho and neurosurgeons take ATLS at least once.
> >
> > Please note that the ACS COT "Optimal Resourses" document states that,
> > "At a minimum, orthopaedic surgeons on the trauma team should be
> > encouraged to successfully complete an ATLS Student Course."  The same
> > statement is repeated in the neurosurgical chapter: "At a minimum,
> > neurosurgeons on the trauma team should be encouraged to successfully
> > complete an ATLS Student Course."
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ron
> >
> > >>> Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com> 10/5/2006 9:16 PM >>>
> > We are currently having a debate in our State Trauma Advisory Committee
> >
> > about whether trauma related consultants (neurosurg, ortho, ent, etc)
> > should be required to have taken ATLS to care for a trauma pt. The
> > question is whether this should be part of the requirements for trauma
> >
> > center designation. No question that members of the trauma service and
> >
> > the ED should but what about the subspecialists? Sure its a good
> > concept
> > but actually getting them to take it is another thing. What is the
> > practice of other trauma systems?
> > Thanks
> > Ron Simon, MD
> > Jacobi Medical Center
> > Bronx, NY
> >
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