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Tue Oct 10 13:25:11 BST 2006

Charlene, 

Unless I have missed something for a long time, the object of taking any course is to obtain the knowledge that we all need to best care for the patient, that one individual that we have been given the priviledge of caring for.

PA's can audit the ATLS course, learn the information taught therein, and walk out with CME credits to boot.  Now, if you are a PA and you are the sole provider of medical care  in your area, with no one else to care for the trauma patient, you can take the ATLS course and be given that certification that you seem to need as the carrot to take the course.

Exactly what worth is a piece of paper?  I thought that it was the knowledge that was priceless.......  In the interest if your patients, I would suggest that you leave the politics behind, forget the *special* stuff that seem to have diverted your attention, and remember your mission.

Just my 2 cents.
Ron

>>> "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com> 10/8/2006 7:43 AM >>>
Of interest, I took BTLS, as I received credit and was allowed CME. As a PA,
ATLS is NOT a course for which I can certify, thus-- why wasted my time and
money?!

I can learn from any number of courses and benefit from all, but if the
politics dictate ATLS is *special* for docs only, I cannot reasonably
participate. Auditing just doesn't make it, to my mind

C M Morris

On 10/8/06, Ian Civil <icivil at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> The way to have all consultants ATLS positive is to make it a requirement
> for trainees in all specialties as it is in Australia and NZ.
>
> The challenge is to ensure those involved in trauma care remain current in
> their knowledge and practice which is no less problematic down-under than
> anywhere else in the world
>
> Ian Civil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] 
> On Behalf Of "Hansen, Kari Schrøder"
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
> To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: SV: ATLS for consultants...
>
> I sure would like every consultant to have the ATLS course, but I don't
> believe it's possible to convince them to attend a 2.5 day course with an
> exam...
>
> I have another solution: make them attend your local training in the ER
> room. I suppose you have such training regularly........?
> If not, I can suggest the concepts of the BEST-course (Better & Systematic
> Trauma Care): http://www.bestnet.no/english/.
> BEST is a one-day course held locally in your resuscitation room. It is
> based on CRM-principles to make your trauma team work as a team.
> It is easier to ask the consultants to participate in this course compared
> to ATLS. The course will give them:
> -       A basic understanding of the ABCDE
> -       A basic understanding on how the trauma team work in the ER
> -       Knowledge and practice on how to work in a team
> -       Understanding of why the senior doctor is not the leader
> -       +++
>
> It is easy, fun and cheap!
>
> Kari Schrøder Hansen
> Deptartment of Surgery
> Bergen, Norway
>
>
> (If you want more information on how to introduce the course at your
> hospital, I will be glad to help.)
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org 
> ]
> På vegne av Ronald Gross
> Sendt: 6. oktober 2006 18:20
> Til: trauma-list at trauma.org 
> Emne: Re: ATLS for consultants...
>
> Ron,
>
> We require that ortho and neurosurgeons take ATLS at least once.
>
> Please note that the ACS COT "Optimal Resourses" document states that,
> "At a minimum, orthopaedic surgeons on the trauma team should be
> encouraged to successfully complete an ATLS Student Course."  The same
> statement is repeated in the neurosurgical chapter: "At a minimum,
> neurosurgeons on the trauma team should be encouraged to successfully
> complete an ATLS Student Course."
>
> Best wishes,
> Ron
>
> >>> Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com> 10/5/2006 9:16 PM >>>
> We are currently having a debate in our State Trauma Advisory Committee
>
> about whether trauma related consultants (neurosurg, ortho, ent, etc)
> should be required to have taken ATLS to care for a trauma pt. The
> question is whether this should be part of the requirements for trauma
>
> center designation. No question that members of the trauma service and
>
> the ED should but what about the subspecialists? Sure its a good
> concept
> but actually getting them to take it is another thing. What is the
> practice of other trauma systems?
> Thanks
> Ron Simon, MD
> Jacobi Medical Center
> Bronx, NY
>
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