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Mon Oct 9 01:06:25 BST 2006

Totally understand Charlene.  Show me the money!!!!!

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From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
On Behalf Of Charlene M Morris
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:00 PM
To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
Subject: Re: ATLS for non-docs..

Thank you for being respectful. You are correct: I would pay for it and the
time off work also, plus not get the CMEs required for my licensure and
cetification.

The politics sometimes surmount the common sense.

Indeed, I am involved in many facts of the medical profession. This is one
bone at which I pick. Allow me that courtesy and understanding.

CMM

On 10/8/06, Gustavo E. Flores <gflores911 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I am a third year medical student and a paramedic. I took ATLS last 
> May and was told that I could not take it as a medical student (not 
> even audit it) but I could audit it as a paramedic. Nonetheless, I 
> asked to be evaluated like everybody else, and I thank the staff for 
> doing that.
>
> Regarding BTLS, I must say that it is oriented to prehospital 
> personnel. Both BTLS and ATLS are great courses and there is GREAT 
> similitude between them. That's the idea (that we all are on the same 
> page)!!! The target audience is the issue between BTLS and ATLS. 
> Teaching an in-hospital personnel how to work in a vehicle extrication 
> or how to determine "load and go" is a "nice-to-know" however they are 
> likely not going to use it unless you volunteer to work at a vehicle 
> collision scene. Similarly, teaching a paramedic how to rule-out a 
> c-spine injury with radiological data is less useful than stressing 
> the fact of proper c-spine immobilization in patients
> that require such (something that is done at the BTLS). They both give us
> a
> broader sense of the picture but not necessarily will affect our
> day-to-day
> activities. I think that ATLS does not teach anything useful to a
> prehospital provider that BTLS / PHTLS does not already teach (at the
> pertinent level) and BTLS does not teach anything that the ATLS does not
> already teach (at their pertinent level).
>
> Got the money? Take all of them!! Compare, contrast, enhance your 
> knowledge. Taking ATLS gives a broader picture for non-physician 
> participants, just as
> taking the BTLS does for physicians. After all, "live as if you would die
> tomorrow, but learn as if you would live forever"!
>
> Disclaimer: I am a BTLS instructor.
>
> I think that ATLS should have the "For Doctors" removed and broaden 
> who else can take the class. After all, regardless of what you learn 
> in any class, you are always bound by your local protocols (that is 
> for non-physician providers). This is similar to ACLS, where 
> non-physicians learn some things
> that may or may not be able to do depending on local protocols. Although I
> knew it before taking the class, not being able to get properly
> "certified"
> after indeed successfully approving the course made me feel a little
> disappointed. I do look forward to take it again after I graduate (either
> before or during my residency).
>
> Unfortunately, I do not have access to TEAMS in my medical school.
>
> Gustavo E. Flores Bauer, MSIII EMT-P :.
> EmergencyTeam.Net
> San Juan, Puerto Rico
> Iberoamerican University School of Medicine
> Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
>
> Cel: 829-770-0707
> Fax: 809-686-6988
> MSN Messenger: gustavoflores911
> Skype: gflores911
> E-Mail: gustavo at emergencyteam.net
> Web: www.emergencyteam.net
>
> The Serenity Prayer:
> "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, 
> courage to change the ones I can, and wisdom to know the difference."
>
> S:.F:.U:.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto: 
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Jago Miloguz
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:21 PM
> To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: Re: ATLS for non-docs..
>
> 2006/10/9, Jago Miloguz <japrak at gmail.com>:
> >
> > does anyone knows can a med student attend ATLS, knowing of course 
> > that he/she will not be certified. ante
> >
>
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