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Sun Oct 8 23:21:03 BST 2006

sorry for not being clear enough, l ment if a student can attend ATLS before
final year, beside TEAM course which every student can attend, as l to my
knowledge.

2006/10/9, Jago Miloguz <japrak at gmail.com>:
>
> does anyone knows can a med student attend ATLS, knowing of course that
> he/she will not be certified.
> ante
>
>
> 2006/10/8, Anthony Caruso <Medic541 at hotmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > Charlene, I have to respectively disagree with you.  I have been a
> > practicing paramedic for approximately 7 years now.  I do understand
> > that
> > you have allot more schooling than myself.  However, in my mind when I
> > take
> > a classes such as A.T.L.S. I go into it knowing that I will only be able
> > to
> > "audit" it, and not become certified. For me its not what can I become
> > certified in, its more of what knowledge that I can gain from the
> > class.  If
> > I were a "medical control" physician, I know that I would feel more
> > confident if I had a highly skilled and educated paramedic on staff,
> > than
> > rather one that has no interests on attending various in and out
> > hospital
> > classes.  Regardless of them being certified or not.
> > I have attended some classes that are not normally offered to paramedics
> > on a normal basis like N.R.P or FCCS (Fundamentals of critical care
> > support).  I will never place an umbilical catheter or make adjustments
> > on a
> > hospital ventilator, but some the knowledge that I gain from such
> > classes
> > will directly affect the treatment of some of my patients.  So therefore
> >
> > these classes have a huge impact.
> > Please however, do not interpret this as you not wanting to become a
> > better P.A. You obviously show that you want to, by attending B.T.L.S
> > .  I
> > apologize if this is how it came across. I just wanted to share with you
> >
> > some of my thoughts from a non-physician practitioner.  One thing, of
> > the
> > classes that I have attended I didn't have to pay for one them.  That,
> > I'm
> > sure is a huge factor for you.  So I can understand your point as well
> > on
> > why not to go to a class.
> > Ciao!
> > Anthony M. Caruso
> > NREMT-P
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of Charlene M Morris
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:43 AM
> > To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
> > Subject: ATLS for non-docs..
> >
> >
> > Of interest, I took BTLS, as I received credit and was allowed CME. As a
> > PA,
> > ATLS is NOT a course for which I can certify, thus-- why wasted my time
> > and
> > money?!
> >
> > I can learn from any number of courses and benefit from all, but if the
> > politics dictate ATLS is *special* for docs only, I cannot reasonably
> > participate. Auditing just doesn't make it, to my mind
> >
> > C M Morris
> >
> >
> > On 10/8/06, Ian Civil <icivil at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > >
> > > The way to have all consultants ATLS positive is to make it a
> > > requirement for trainees in all specialties as it is in Australia and
> > > NZ.
> > >
> > > The challenge is to ensure those involved in trauma care remain
> > > current in their knowledge and practice which is no less problematic
> > > down-under than anywhere else in the world
> > >
> > > Ian Civil
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> > > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of "Hansen, Kari Schrøder"
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
> > > To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> > > Subject: SV: ATLS for consultants...
> > >
> > > I sure would like every consultant to have the ATLS course, but I
> > > don't believe it's possible to convince them to attend a 2.5 day
> > > course with an exam...
> > >
> > > I have another solution: make them attend your local training in the
> > > ER room. I suppose you have such training regularly........? If not, I
> > > can suggest the concepts of the BEST-course (Better & Systematic
> > > Trauma Care): http://www.bestnet.no/english/. BEST is a one-day course
> > > held locally in your resuscitation room. It is based on CRM-principles
> > > to make your trauma team work as a team. It is easier to ask the
> > > consultants to participate in this course compared to ATLS. The course
> > > will give them:
> > > -       A basic understanding of the ABCDE
> > > -       A basic understanding on how the trauma team work in the ER
> > > -       Knowledge and practice on how to work in a team
> > > -       Understanding of why the senior doctor is not the leader
> > > -       +++
> > >
> > > It is easy, fun and cheap!
> > >
> > > Kari Schrøder Hansen
> > > Deptartment of Surgery
> > > Bergen, Norway
> > >
> > >
> > > (If you want more information on how to introduce the course at your
> > > hospital, I will be glad to help.)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > > Fra: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > > ]
> > > På vegne av Ronald Gross
> > > Sendt: 6. oktober 2006 18:20
> > > Til: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > > Emne: Re: ATLS for consultants...
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > We require that ortho and neurosurgeons take ATLS at least once.
> > >
> > > Please note that the ACS COT "Optimal Resourses" document states that,
> > > "At a minimum, orthopaedic surgeons on the trauma team should be
> > > encouraged to successfully complete an ATLS Student Course."  The same
> >
> > > statement is repeated in the neurosurgical chapter: "At a minimum,
> > > neurosurgeons on the trauma team should be encouraged to successfully
> > > complete an ATLS Student Course."
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > >>> Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com> 10/5/2006 9:16 PM >>>
> > > We are currently having a debate in our State Trauma Advisory
> > > Committee
> > >
> > > about whether trauma related consultants (neurosurg, ortho, ent, etc)
> > > should be required to have taken ATLS to care for a trauma pt. The
> > > question is whether this should be part of the requirements for trauma
> >
> > >
> > > center designation. No question that members of the trauma service and
> > >
> > > the ED should but what about the subspecialists? Sure its a good
> > > concept but actually getting them to take it is another thing. What is
> >
> > > the practice of other trauma systems?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Simon, MD
> > > Jacobi Medical Center
> > > Bronx, NY
> > >
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