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Of interest, I took BTLS, as I received credit and was allowed CME. As a PA,
ATLS is NOT a course for which I can certify, thus-- why wasted my time and
money?!

I can learn from any number of courses and benefit from all, but if the
politics dictate ATLS is *special* for docs only, I cannot reasonably
participate. Auditing just doesn't make it, to my mind

C M Morris

On 10/8/06, Ian Civil <icivil at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> The way to have all consultants ATLS positive is to make it a requirement
> for trainees in all specialties as it is in Australia and NZ.
>
> The challenge is to ensure those involved in trauma care remain current in
> their knowledge and practice which is no less problematic down-under than
> anywhere else in the world
>
> Ian Civil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
> On Behalf Of "Hansen, Kari Schrøder"
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
> To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: SV: ATLS for consultants...
>
> I sure would like every consultant to have the ATLS course, but I don't
> believe it's possible to convince them to attend a 2.5 day course with an
> exam...
>
> I have another solution: make them attend your local training in the ER
> room. I suppose you have such training regularly........?
> If not, I can suggest the concepts of the BEST-course (Better & Systematic
> Trauma Care): http://www.bestnet.no/english/.
> BEST is a one-day course held locally in your resuscitation room. It is
> based on CRM-principles to make your trauma team work as a team.
> It is easier to ask the consultants to participate in this course compared
> to ATLS. The course will give them:
> -       A basic understanding of the ABCDE
> -       A basic understanding on how the trauma team work in the ER
> -       Knowledge and practice on how to work in a team
> -       Understanding of why the senior doctor is not the leader
> -       +++
>
> It is easy, fun and cheap!
>
> Kari Schrøder Hansen
> Deptartment of Surgery
> Bergen, Norway
>
>
> (If you want more information on how to introduce the course at your
> hospital, I will be glad to help.)
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> ]
> På vegne av Ronald Gross
> Sendt: 6. oktober 2006 18:20
> Til: trauma-list at trauma.org
> Emne: Re: ATLS for consultants...
>
> Ron,
>
> We require that ortho and neurosurgeons take ATLS at least once.
>
> Please note that the ACS COT "Optimal Resourses" document states that,
> "At a minimum, orthopaedic surgeons on the trauma team should be
> encouraged to successfully complete an ATLS Student Course."  The same
> statement is repeated in the neurosurgical chapter: "At a minimum,
> neurosurgeons on the trauma team should be encouraged to successfully
> complete an ATLS Student Course."
>
> Best wishes,
> Ron
>
> >>> Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com> 10/5/2006 9:16 PM >>>
> We are currently having a debate in our State Trauma Advisory Committee
>
> about whether trauma related consultants (neurosurg, ortho, ent, etc)
> should be required to have taken ATLS to care for a trauma pt. The
> question is whether this should be part of the requirements for trauma
>
> center designation. No question that members of the trauma service and
>
> the ED should but what about the subspecialists? Sure its a good
> concept
> but actually getting them to take it is another thing. What is the
> practice of other trauma systems?
> Thanks
> Ron Simon, MD
> Jacobi Medical Center
> Bronx, NY
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