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Mon May 29 21:02:51 BST 2006

Fair enough.  No sense continuing if there's nothing to be gained, which
it's clear there isn't.

On, then.

Pret

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Ferker" <xg2k2 at yahoo.com>
To: "Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: patient permission - or lack thereof

> Mr. Bjorn and Dr. Hall,
>
>   It's very apparent that you both have quite opposite views in regards to
this issue; it has been quite a few "exchanges" ago. Is it really that
necessary to resort to personal attacks and what is essentially becoming a
flame war?
>
>   Kind regards,
>   -Mike F
>
> "p.bjorn" <p.bjorn at netzero.net> wrote:
>   Dr. Hall,
>
> I'm not in the habit of hiding my email address. It has been in the header
> of each of the hundreds (thousands?) of messages I've sent to the list
over
> the past decade or so, e.g.:
>
> From: "p.bjorn"
>
> To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list"
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: patient permission - or lack thereof
>
> or
>
> From: "Bjorn, Pret"
>
> To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list"
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:55 PM
> Subject: RE: patient permission - or lack thereof
>
> Presumably you feel some need to prattle on in the open, to which I have
> little objection. You're sort of fun to watch. But I admit that it is
> getting tedious waiting for you to back up your assertions rather than
> repeating them endlessly in hopes that they'll find a following. While
this
> habit promises you a future in conservative media, it belies your
inability
> to debate issues in real terms. Sending me to Google (to prove a negative)
> is a lame and transluscent tactic -- of which I'm certain your law class
> professor would be disappointed.
>
> Dr. Mak's patient and his next of kin have had three years of careful
> follow-up and repeated sober medical counsel. It is unlikely that the good
> doctor has anything to fear, even in the dense and uncharted reaches of
> American civil court. Had he chosen differently back in '03, exerting his
> superior intellect and surgical self-righteousness, he might well be
> struggling through expensive and fruitless appeals this summer.
>
> As for an individual losing his rights to self-determination by becoming a
> trauma patient... well, whatever makes you feel important, I guess.
>
> The fat lady sang, took her bow, and went home. You must have been in law
> class.
>
> Pret
>
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