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Bjorn, Pret pbjorn at emh.orgThu May 18 11:47:34 BST 2006
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Jed, All of the tests you list can be reasonably (if light-heartedly) debated, as can all that you don't. Somewhere somebody's gonna want you to add coags or ABG's to your panel, and somebody else is going to remark that a $300, two-unit crossmatch on every trauma alert -- in the context of a 15% transfusion rate -- is representative of what's wrong with modern western healthcare. As a fellow who has never once criticized a "baseline CBC" outside of the rhetorical milieu, I'm comfortable asking you here: what do you expect the H&H to do? Go up? The term "baseline" suggests that relativity is relevant, which it simply isn't. It does not force transfusion, or laparotomy, or anything much apart from the interval between CBC's. It supports what we do, but it compels nothing -- leaving one to wonder why we depend so much on a test whose basic purpose is to make us more confident as we go about doing what we'd do anyway. Mind you, our trauma team nearly always runs about the same stuff Robin's does; we just ask the surgeon to make each test a conscious decision. The selections are similar but not often identical from one patient to the next. A little brain work and subtle accountability is good for the process. Fun discussion. Pret -----Original Message----- From: Jedidiah Peterson [mailto:jedpeterson at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:42 PM To: Trauma &, Critical Care mailing list Subject: Re: Trauma lab panels Pret- To me, Robin Powers' posting would make sense (CBC, T&S, if 55+ with hx add chem-7, bHCG prn) with a caveat for flexibility. Does anyone want to jump in and support something markedly different? (I'm not getting suckered into defending the Major Trauma Panel any time soon...) But I think it is worth reminding the list that most trauma does not report to a major trauma center directly, and having spent some time fetching traumas (and cardiacs, etc) from 17 or so regional hospitals in my area, there are plenty of times when it is in the patient's best interest to get objective data early, or to, in the case of the CBC, establish a baseline. You make an excellent point that the useful data of an H&H is also able to be estimated clinically, but that doesn't always translate over the telephone or in the hands of a less practiced clinician. So, in the absence of anyone else stepping up, Pret, I will allow you to pull me in to the point of saying "crutches have a time and place" but I am not going to defend a STAT sed rate... ;-) jed peterson rn -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/traumalist.html
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