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Sun Jan 8 21:05:55 GMT 2006

oh cmon Phil...this is worth the price of admission..... it's like Laurel 
and Hardy go to Washington.....

jcw

"Phil Hoffman" <phoffman at charlevoixmfg.com>
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Dr. Frykberg and Mr. Terranson,

It appears that both of you gentlemen are intelligent, articulate and
passionate about this topic.  However, may I suggest that this topic has
worn out its welcome on this list.

May I further suggest, that if the two of you wish to continue your 
debate,
perhaps you could be so kind as to so off-list.

>From each of your emails I find that Mr. Terranson's email address is
measl at mfn.org or sysadmin at mfn.org and Dr. Frykberg's email address is
docrickfry at aol.com.

Please, and I believe that I speak for a number of others, enjoy your 
debate
one-on-one.  If the two of you come to an astonishing middle ground and 
end
up enjoying a couple of beers together, please let us know.  Until then, I
implore you...

Phil Hoffman
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||-----Original Message-----
||From: J.A. Terranson [mailto:measl at mfn.org] 
||Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:35 PM
||To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
||Subject: Re: The NRA and Injury Prevention
||
||
||On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 docrickfry at aol.com wrote:
||
||> "One of the few purposes of government is to restrain men 
||from injuring
||> one another...."  Thomas Jefferson, 2nd Inaugural address As to this
||> "brink of destruction" nonsense, seems England, Australia, 
||Japan, France
||> Germany, Canada, Switzerland, Spain, Sweden, Norway, 
||Denmark, Fiunland
||> etc etc etc, all democracies with strict gun control and a small
||> fraction of the homicide, suicide and unintentional firearm 
||death rate
||> of the US, are not exactly showing any signs of their 
||liberty structure
||> collapsing anytime soon.... ERF
||
||(1) I am quite certain that you are no more educated about 
||the internal
||workings of this long list of countries than I am, so 
||debating this side
||issue is an excersize in both misdirection and futility.
||
||(2) The current debate is in reference to "gun control" in the United
||States.  Within that context, I believe that even you will 
||agree that it
||is, at this point in time, 100% impossible to remove guns from the
||country, yes?  With that established, would you rather have 
||the option of
||defending yourself against potentially fatal attack, or not? 
||If no, then
||why don't you just tie a sign to you, your wife, and your children,
||stating "WE ARE UNARMED, AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN SELF-DEFENSE. 
||PLEASE RAPE,
||ROB AND KILL US.", and head for the nearest high crime area - 
||since that
||is effectively what you are advocating that millions of 
||Americans should
||do.
||
||-- 
||Yours,
||
||J.A. Terranson
||sysadmin at mfn.org
||0xBD4A95BF
||
||
||'The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in 
||most governments
||it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within 
||the narrowest
||limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and 
||the right of
||the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext
||whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the
||brink of destruction.'
||
||St. George Tucker
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