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Tue Feb 28 13:39:10 GMT 2006

Thank you Karim,
   That is a very good suggestion,i believe that an average medical student should be able to search for information on google ,if somebody like you could be looking for informations on Google then what is stopping a medical student from searching google for necessary information,
  The trauma list is doing a good job,
  please keep the ball rolling.
  yours sincerely,
  Abati adeshola 
  Medical student,
  College of medicine,
  University of lagos.
  Nigeria

"Hardcastle Tim, Dr <tch at sun.ac.za>" <tch at sun.ac.za> wrote:
  The boss has spoken!!

AKA the list owner - Go Karim: its about time you put your foot down a bit:-)

Tim
South Africa

-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]On Behalf Of Karim Brohi
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:34 PM
To: 'Trauma & Critical Care mailing list'
Subject: The *purpose* of the trauma-list & a bit of advice to
medicalstudents

>>

What is the purpose of the trauma list web site other than to discuss relavant medical cases give opinions helpful to those
interseted in obtaining such world wide, for example the recently discussed item of a diaphramatic injury. The trauma list is losing
its crediability with this surgeon when people like Rene and others log in and ask for advise on obtaining a clerckship in Taiwan.
I dont beleive that Karim would like to see this trend continue. The discussions are helpful to surgeons in developing countries
who actually need and benefit from advise.

Mr. Perry Fisher,MD,FRCS

>>

Perry I think the trauma-list is different things to different people. You are correct that one of the initial reasons for creating
this monster (furry and cuddly that it is) was to disseminate trauma education globally and to allow those of us without immediate
access to trauma professionals for discussion or text books/journals/courses for education.

However clearly the utility of the list & the website has gone beyond this. A significant majority of our (lurking) membership work
in trauma centres and university institutions. Clearly there is something of value here for them too. 

As education has always been the cornerstone of this list and website, so encouraging and educating our future colleagues and
successors is an important goal and we have long maintained a global list of trauma fellowships and student electives on the
website. Finding a place in Taiwan to gain trauma experience is a valid use of the list - and perhaps a very effective way of
finding a placement in Taiwan (we have at least 2 members in Taiwan).

*However* I would offer this bit of advice to medical students/juniors. 

1. No one is going to help you if you don't help yourself

I had an email last week from a medical student in New Zealand saying "I want to do an elective in the Johannesburg Trauma Unit -
can you tell me who to contact there?" Now it took me about 17 seconds on Google to find this information. If you expect to be
spoon fed and others to do simple work for you, and moreover can't find this for yourself you are almost certainly too stupid/lazy
to look after trauma patients (or indeed be a doctor).

2. RTFM

I get an email every few days or so to the fellowships or electives Trauma.org email addresses saying "Dear Sir/Madam, I would like
to do an elective at your institution". Trauma.org is not a hospital. If you cannot read, or are too stupid/lazy to read the
information on the front page of these sections, then you are probably not fit to look after trauma patients (or even small
animals).

3. No one here knows anything about you and no one cares about you on more than a generic level.

Don't assume that two lines of text will bring everybody running to help you in your career/holiday aims. So tell us who you are,
why you want to do this. Why anyone should bother helping you. Just a couple of lines will do. *do not send your CV* If you are
lacking in basic social skills then you are probably not going to make it in medicine (or you will go really far).

4. People remember stupidity/rudeness/ignorance *forever*

Clever/useful/intelligent comments are a baseline and will be forgotten about between 10 seconds and 10 weeks after hearing/reading
them. On the other hand if you say/email/post something stupid lazy or ignorant people will remember it forever. Plus with today's
internet archiving everything is available *forever*. So when you come to your big consultant interview in 10 years time and people
do a Google search on your name, if they read something stupid you wrote way back when - it *will count*. Even if it was on a forum
for base-jumping needlepoint enthusiasts.

With these points in mind, this list is yours to enjoy, learn from and use to further your future goals.

Karim

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